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"Afresh, precious, precious Jesus, I resign this body to You, for doing or suffering, for living or dying. Will You accept it? Will You use me for Your glory more than heretofore, that You may have some little return for all the benefits You have done to me? Oh, do grant this request; my heart longs for it, my spirit pleads for it; and "if You will, You can." You know the hot temptation of which I am the subject. Bring Your glory out of it, and keep me from the evil, and it shall be well." - Ruth Bryan

Saturday, November 4, 2017

Reformed Separatism

18 comments:

lyn said...

This is an excellent sermon, the only thing I did not agree with was a quote from Bob Jones Sr. That was a bit disappointing, but overall, this sermon is much needed in this present day.

Susan said...

Listened while cleaning the kitchen, but didn’t catch the Bob Jones Sr. quote. I agree with this but of course we also must keep in mind that we do interact with the world, yet without compromise, and in Romans 12 we understand that we are to live peaceably and agreeably as much as is possible, that doesn’t mean we always agree nor submit to the world, yet we have to live wisely to stay employed, and if it is God’s will He will certainly remove us out of situations displeasing to Him. In everything give thanks to God, it is possible also to be overly pious and thereby prideful in our ”superior” conduct before God.

lyn said...

Hi Susan,

Thanks for your comment. Yes we do interact with the world. The point Paul Elliott was making dealt more with professing believers and not so much the world. For example, those who defend false teachers like Billy and Franklin Graham and refuse to see their errors, these are the ones that we don't yoke ourselves spiritually to. I know this is hard for you, your husband is a supporter of the Grahams right? Repentance is always the key for sin, those who refuse to repent, even after evidence is supplied and scripturally support, prove they are deluded.

Obeying God's word concerning this matter should never be considered as being overly pious or prideful, and if it becomes such, may He correct us. Even when it hits close to home, we must do as the Lord commands and not as our emotions would lead us.

lyn said...

I do pray the Lord will guide you in this matter, that you will stay true to His word even if it means you have spiritual conflict with your husband.

Susan said...

If Franklin Graham is not saved is he not “of the world”? and as Reform Calvinists do you not trust that the Lord knows who are His and who are not? I agree we need to warn, but not to the unedifying point of being contentious, don’t you agree?

Susan said...

My husband is not a Billy Graham “supporter “, his position is that God will judge him and that He, unlike we, understand much better the final outcome in all things. I agree with my husband ;)

lyn said...

I misunderstood, I thought you stated he was in favor of the Grahams, my apologies for this error.

Again, there seems to be some confusion concerning false teachers and Elliott's sermon on biblical separation. False teachers are minions of Satan, dressed as ministers of righteousness. The bible doesn't take this lightly - Jud 1:4  For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. 
For there are certain men crept in unawares - The apostle now gives “reason” for thus defending the truth, to wit, that there were artful and wicked men who had crept into the church, pretending to be religious teachers, but whose doctrines tended to sap the very foundations of truth. The apostle Peter, describing these same persons, says, “who privily shall bring in damnable heresies.” See the notes, 2Pe_2:1. Substantially the same idea is expressed here by saying that they “had crept in unawares;” that is, they had come in “by stealth;” they had not come by a bold and open avowal of their real sentiments. They professed to teach the Christian religion, when in fact they denied some of its fundamental doctrines; they professed to be holy, when in fact they were living most scandalous lives. In all ages there have been men who were willing to do this for base purposes.
Who were before of old ordained to this condemnation - That is, to the condemnation (κρίμα krima) which he proceeds to specify. The statements in the subsequent part of the Epistle show that by the word used here he refers to the wrath that shall come upon the ungodly in the future world. See Jud_1:5-7, Jud_1:15. The meaning clearly is, that the punishment which befell the unbelieving Israelites Jud_1:5; the rebel angels Jud_1:6; the inhabitants of Sodom Jud_1:7; and of which Enoch prophesied Jud_1:15, awaited those persons. The phrase “of old” - πάλαι palai - means “long ago,” implying that a considerable time had elapsed, though without determining how much. Albert Barnes commentary

BTW, I do not put myself in man made categories. I do not follow Calvin or the Reformation, I follow Christ. So, I am a bible believing follower of the Lord Jesus, and that is all I am. Unfortunately, many today idolize Calvin and the Reformers, forgetting it is GOD who used men for His purposes.

Now concerning warning, yes, I agree. I also don't think it is being contentious or judgmental to warn. Exposing false teachers and wolves is not unbiblical. The influence the Grahams have had on 'Christianity' is far and wide. Another influence comes from the Jesuits and Jacob Arminius and the free will accursed gospel, this is the tie that binds false religion.
God help us if we ever stop contending for the faith.

lyn said...

Hi Susan,

I went back over your comments and found this from this thread - https://iamhis-lyn.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-pope-of-sbc.html


Here is part of your comment...

"My husband wants to believe Billy Graham is saved. I’ve tried talking with him about it but he doesn’t want to believe it. We are “Calvinists” however he accepts the fact that there are those, like many who believe they can lose their salvation, who are simply mistaken in some areas but if the Lord has them He will correct them in His time. My dear husband sees no fruit in arguing about things such as this, but does agree that we are to be separate from the world. He also likes John MacArthur, and that MacArthur might have a couple of areas of difference and yet be saved, and that we are to leave him to the Lord to judge him. He believes if we harp too much on these things it only gives a bad witness to the unsaved who will feel justified in their contempt of us. He says we should bring people to a knowledge of the Lord and let Him work on us, to cleanse us from sin. He said the end time stuff, ecumenism etc, will happen regardless and we cannot turn that around, but the Lord can still use us to save some out of it but not if we are bickering and fighting amongst ourselves."

I would ask this, why would your husband want to believe Billy Graham is saved? Has he examined the 'fruit' of this man? The Lord does correct error, but, BG is in his nineties!! How much longer do you suppose God will allow him to wallow in erroneous beliefs?

Your husband has convinced you it's best to do nothing, and calls defending the faith and exposing error 'bickering and fighting'. That is a lame excuse to just sit back and not confront error, and it is a direct violation of Eph 5:11  And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Satan loves it when Christians button their lips and allow evil to engulf this nation.

After re-examining your comment from the BG pope thread, I stand by my original statement. Your husband IS a follower of Graham, for he refuses to see the bad fruit of this man and call him out for what he is...a false teacher. Christ stated we are either with him or against him.....whose side are you on? Your husband, who lacks boldness, or Jesus Christ?

Susan said...

He believes a person can be saved and still make mistakes, even as we all can make mistakes, and he says 1 Corinthians 13 says love “hope the all things” and I personally cannot think of a better thing to hope for than that a person, no matter who, can be mistaken and still be saved. There’s also a passage in 1 Corinthians 3:15 which states that a person can have all of their works burned yet they themselves saved through fire. Don’t you agree?

Susan said...

Btw, my husband does confront error, he does so with me all the time, lol, but not to the point that it consumes his every thought

lyn said...

Making mistakes and deliberately preaching false doctrine are NOT the same thing! The Grahams make this bold claim --In January 1997, Larry King interviewed Billy Graham on his CNN program, and asked the question, "You're comfortable with the Vatican?" Graham responded, "I am very comfortable with the Vatican. I have been to see the Pope several times." King then asked, "You like this Pope?" and Graham responded, "I like him very much. . . . He and I agree on almost everything."
In an April 2, 2005 interview with Katie Couric on NBC's Today show, Franklin Graham praised the late Pope John Paul II and said that they preached the same gospel"

Do you call that a mistake? Hardly. It is minions of Satan working to unite a one world church, leading back to the great harlot - Rome. Ecumenism is dangerous, and it is what the Grahams are doing. Do you think God takes it lightly when sinners are led down the broad road?

'Mistakes' are a more palatable way of not calling out sin for what it is. Repentance is ongoing in the life of the believer. When one never repents, what does that tell you? When one continues to wax worse and worse, what is that an indication of?

Where is the discernment in Christianity today? Good grief, it's no wonder America is a spiritual train wreck.

lyn said...

Apparently your husband doesn't know error Susan, for he believes BG is saved, even though Graham preaches an accursed gospel and aligns with Rome. It seems you are letting your husband cloud your thinking, then attempting to silence those who have the boldness to call out sin and false teaching by labeling it 'fighting and bickering' and 'consuming one's thoughts'. While you sit back and watch the world grow darker and do NOT warn, know God is not pleased with such apathy.
May Christ be your all in all, and not your husband who condones false teahers and makes excuses for doing so.

Susan said...

I guess you and I differ in what the parable of the sower of wheat and tires meant by not pulling at takes because it might pull up the wheat with it. I agree it is good to warn, as I have repeatedly stated, but in the area of thinking that it is good to argue continually about it, we disagree.

lyn said...

Who is attempting to pull up tares? Where does the bible state that warning against false teachers is attempting to pull up tares? You seem to be taking verses out of context to shore up your view. Then you label it as 'arguing'. I think your emotions are hindering you from seeing things as you should, your desire to defend your husband's erroneous and apathetic views has clouded your judgment.

Again, will you follow Christ or your husband and his apathy?

Susan said...

Lyn, clearly you judge before the time, sadly, although I agree with much of what you say, I cannot agree with the manner and spirit in which you do it. I agree with my husband as much as he agrees with the Word of God and am submitted to him under Christ as the Bible tells me to. It is with sorrow that I must part with you, again, perhaps we will see each other in glory. Take care. I know my husband and I do have discernment from the Lord to know he is indeed saved. Your assumptions are as unfounded as they are destructive to true fellowship.

lyn said...

It's a sad day when a professing Christian sides with error, and accuses those who expose it as 'judging'. Clearly, you are loyal to your husband and his erroneous, apathetic beliefs. The 'fruit' he bears according to YOUR OWN COMMENT reveals this. I do not wish to fellowship with the likes of you, for you cleave to error and embrace it through your husband.

You are done commenting here

lyn said...

You and your husband are the kind Paul Elliott spoke of in referencing to biblical separation. When one refuses correction, upholds false teaching, and makes excuses for it, falsely accuses the messenger and labels it as divisive and judgmental, it's clear Christ and His truth do not take precedence in that person's life.

As a brother in Christ has written to me, "If we just remember that our view on separation from apostates or believers is to change their thoughts and conduct and to glorify God by putting Him and His word first in our lives; all will be okay. We may be called hateful, judgmental and divisive by the world and by our brothers and sisters in Christ, but as long as we are seeking to glorify God, then we should simply bear the hate and misunderstanding that will come our way." and all God's people say AMEN!

Darrel said...

Susan,
It seems that you are using the "submit to your own husband" to excuse your own laziness to deal properly with the evil in front of your face. The effect of which is to agree with your husband that BG is a "man of God" and perhaps only an "errant brother" who needs our prayers. The fruit of BG's own mouth betrays this fantasy handily and you still find room to excuse him---WHY?

You have gone way out of bounds by using the "submit to your own husband" routine because in this instance it is causing you to rebel against the Lord Jesus. This "submit" command is meant to be for marriage matters, NEVER spiritual ones. If your husband demanded that you renounce and deny the Lord Jesus Christ would you submit to him and deny the Lord? Maybe your answer is "no", but in reality it is "yes" because that is precisely what you are doing when you refuse to stand against the evil of Billy Graham and opt to obey the wickedness of your husband rather than the Lord Jesus. I would suggest that your prayers be concentrated on your husband and yourself to rid your household of the encroachment of the evil one. It is useless to pray for BG when you agree with his wickedness. May the Holy Spirit open your hearts and minds to the glories of the Lord Jesus and rebuke the deeply engrained evils of BG from both of you.