Precious Jesus

"Afresh, precious, precious Jesus, I resign this body to You, for doing or suffering, for living or dying. Will You accept it? Will You use me for Your glory more than heretofore, that You may have some little return for all the benefits You have done to me? Oh, do grant this request; my heart longs for it, my spirit pleads for it; and "if You will, You can." You know the hot temptation of which I am the subject. Bring Your glory out of it, and keep me from the evil, and it shall be well." - Ruth Bryan

Friday, February 28, 2014

Going beyond what is written

The Bible is clear on women not being allowed to preach; the Apostle Paul makes that clear in 1st Timothy 2:12. It is also clear that women are to submit to their husbands, as found in Ephesians 5:22, 24 & Col. 3:8. I wholeheartedly agree with all that is written concerning this matter.

Does the Bible teach that women are to be submissive to ALL men? According to John MacArthur...yes. This is from his sermon 'the subordination and equality of women'....

"It is generally then true that a man, whether he be married or single, must think of himself as someone who has been given by God a responsibility for authority in one sense or another. A woman, whether she is married or single, must recognize the fact that in general, as a woman, she must have a spirit of submission to all men.
Second principle: "The head of the woman is the man." Man has authority over woman. He's not just speaking of marriage, people, He is speaking of every dimension of living in general. The man must recognize that God has given him authority, and he has to accept that and take it and rule for God. The woman must realize in any relationship that she has been given the place of submission.
This isn't wrong. This is the way God made it. This is the way He designed it. You don't play golf with a fishing pole, and you don't go fishing with a golf club. God has made people in the same sense to do a certain thing. That's the way they're made, and that's the way they function, and that's the way they're fulfilled. "Man has authority over woman."  John MacArthur

I do believe women are to submit to the authority of their elders/pastors as per Hebrews 13:17 and think it's important to include commentary from Matthew Henry on this particular verse, "Christians must submit to be instructed by their ministers, and not think themselves too wise, too good, or too great, to learn from them; and, when they find that ministerial instructions are agreeable to the written word, they must obey them. They have the rule over the people; their office, though not magisterial, yet is truly authoritative. They have no authority to lord it over the people, but to lead them in the ways of God, by informing and instructing them, explaining the word of God to them, and applying it to their several cases. They are not to make laws of their own, but to interpret the laws of God; nor is their interpretation to be immediately received without examination, but the people must search the scriptures, and so far as the instructions of their minister are according to that rule they ought to receive them, not as the word of men, but, as they are indeed, the word of God, that works effectually in those that believe." Matthew Henry

The closest I find to submission to others is from Ephesians 5:20-21, "giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,  submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ." Once again, let's turn to commentary from Matthew Henry, "There is a mutual submission that Christians owe one to another, condescending to bear one another's burdens: not advancing themselves above others, nor domineering over one another and giving laws to one another. Paul was an example of this truly Christian temper, for he became all things to all men. We must be of a yielding and of a submissive spirit, and ready to all the duties of the respective places and stations that God has allotted to us in the world."  
However, I do not find a verse that states I must submit to ALL men; such as the husbands of my neighbors, for example. Or the young male children of those same neighbors. It is far fetching to claim God commands women to be submissive to every male in society, there simply is no scriptural support for this. The more I hear of MacArthur, the less I want anything to do with his ministry!
 I welcome your biblically supported comments on this matter.

6 comments:

Darrel said...

"... as a woman she must have a spirit of submission to all men." This is no where to be found in Scripture. Beside this fact, it would be a practical impossibility for a woman to submit to "all men" simultaneously as JM demands here. [How is a woman to know which 'man' to submit to when their 'demands' are in conflict with each other or worse, with Scripture?] Even a woman's submission to the elders of the church is done as a member of the Body of Christ and not simply "as a woman". His comment "Man has authority over women" is a good start to being a faithful muslim.

The key for this may be found in Eph. 5:21-33. "Submit to one another in the fear of God..." There is no superiority of 'man' in this verse, we all are equally saved in heart of God and commanded to show due respect for our fellow believers. The submission of a wife to her own husband is in accordance with the church submitting to her Lord (v. 32). If men (JM especially) would get off their soap box of women submitting to men and realize the duty of a man in regard to his wife, then all of this 'submission' rhetoric would stop quickly. V.25 "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for her." Husbands, can you say that was ever a moment in time when you loved your wife THE SAME as Christ loved His church? Have you given yourself for your wife as Christ did (not the dying for her sins, but the meeting of her every need)? Is she the center of life as you know it? Everything that Christ has done was to procure the salvation of His chosen ones and the ultimate glory of His Father. To be sure, no man will ever be able to love his wife as Christ loved the church, but in small and growing ways it is possible to do this on a smaller scale. May the Lord give His wisdom to husbands in this matter.

As for JM, the pattern of speaking to those whose ears itch and giving them what they want to hear is being exposed in his over forty years of teaching his gospel-which is no Gospel at all. Contradictions are becoming apparent, leading to confusion in the minds of those who truly love the Lord and yet look to this man as a genuine, qualified teacher of Scripture-which he is not.

Getting long, going to part 2.

Darrel said...

JM's teaching about women continues to confuse: Q & A BQ073012 9-9-13 states "The N T has no restrictions on a woman's witnessing in public to others, even to a man." Later "...women my have the gift of prophecy as did Philip's four daughters (Acts 21:9) but they were normally not to prophecy in meetings of the church where men are present." Not "normally"? Which is it, not normally, only sometimes, once in a blue moon, or never? Again, JM says what he perceives his audience wants to hear and changes his teaching to fit those listening.

Still further we find JM's requirement that a woman's head be covered while "in church". (Step #2 to being a good muslim? head scarfs?) But he totally ignores 1 Cor. 11:15&16 where Paul unmistakably states that a woman's hair is her God-given covering. And proceeds to say that the whole issue of a woman's head covering is a non-issue for him or the churches-v.16.

God is not the author of confusion, but John MacArthur is.

lyn said...

Thank you for your comment Darrel, it is excellent. There's a growing trend to oppress women. I don't know if you are familiar with the Patriarchal/Recontructionist movement, but that is part of their view. I believe Miano holds to this in some form/fashion. I remember once confronting him over a 'tweet' he sent out boasting of something he'd done,he told me I should go talk to my husband!

There are men, Doug Phillips and Doug Wilson for example, who believe men should dominate their wives, especially in matters of intimacy. Wilson made this quote a couple of years back that sent shock waves thru the Christian community, "A man penetrates, conquers, colonizes, plants. A woman receives, surrenders, accepts" How revolting!!

Both these men hold to the patriarchal/reconstructionist view. Women are treated just like the Muslim faith treats women. If you care to waste your time, you can google both these gentlemen for more details. Doug Phillips has resigned from his Vision Forum duties because of his involvement in a sex scandal...go figure. When you have a low view of women, you can expect this sort of thing to happen.

lyn said...

Well said Darrel! JMac is a chameleon, a wolf in sheep's clothing. Even when I used to listen to MacArthur, I noticed some variation in what he said he believed. Eventually, by God's grace, I stopped listening to him. I thank God He does protect His sheep.

Love your comments brother...they are accurate, biblically sound, and of great encouragement!

Darrel said...

I read about Doug Phillips and if it's the same Doug Wilson of "Federal Vision" fame, I want nothing to do with him either (check out Federal Vision on a hot summer day so the chills down your spine will grant some heat relief). Hadn't read the quote from Wilson---It's disgusting! No wonder he and John Piper get along so well.

lyn said...

Yes, it is the same D. Wilson and yes, he is repulsive. There are so many that are in that 'inner circle'; that religion of Satan that seeks to oppress and dominate.