Precious Jesus

"Afresh, precious, precious Jesus, I resign this body to You, for doing or suffering, for living or dying. Will You accept it? Will You use me for Your glory more than heretofore, that You may have some little return for all the benefits You have done to me? Oh, do grant this request; my heart longs for it, my spirit pleads for it; and "if You will, You can." You know the hot temptation of which I am the subject. Bring Your glory out of it, and keep me from the evil, and it shall be well." - Ruth Bryan

Thursday, March 15, 2012

The Praying Calvinist

"Since grace is the source of the life that is mine
and faith is a gift from on high
I'll boast in my Savior, all merit decline,
and glorify God 'til I die"

{pg. 179 'the doctrines of grace'}

*One way true Calvinists demonstrate the complete dependence of a submissive will is by making a commitment to the life of prayer. Prayer is not a way of getting God to do what we want him to do, rather, it is a way of submitting to God's will in all things. True prayer is prostration before the sovereignty of God, and Calvinism simply maintains this posture all through life. From B.B. Warfield, "The Calvinist is the man who is determined to preserve the attitude he takes in prayer in all his thinking, in all his feeling, in all his doing...other men are Calvinists on their knees; the Calvinist is the man who is determined that his intellect and heart and will shall remain on their knees continually, and only from this attitude think and feel and act".

*pg. 190-191 of Dr. Boice's book 'The Doctrines of Grace'


ali said...

Perhaps, but there is much within Calvinism which is not biblical.

lyn said...

As with all things, there must be balance. Since we have strayed from the doctrines of grace, we have seen the devastating results...superficial Christianity.

lyn said...


I found this tweet from Paul Washer to be beneficial, it coincides with my previous comment...

Paul Washer ‏- 'Prior to the reign of the godly king Josiah, God's Law had been lost in the temple for many years. Has the gospel been lost in the church?'

ali said...

Space prevents me from doing justice to a response, so you might like to visit this website for a more indepth picture of John Calvin and his teachings:

lyn said...

I will do so.

Let me clarify...I do not follow John Calvin, his life or all of his teachings. I do, however, agree with the doctrines of grace.

Man is totally depraved, God elects those He saves, Christ died for the elect, God saves by His grace, and we persevere by His power. These are all biblical and found taught within God's word. Straying from these biblical truths has led to what we currently see...superficial Christianity. Salvation is all of grace, which Calvin nailed in his teachings.

You can find fault with everyone if you dig deep enough. That's because we are all sinners, even those who God saves. Was Calvin perfect? Absolutely not, neither was Luther, or Spurgeon, Watson, Edwards, etc. I do appreciate the teachings of the Puritans and Reformers, such as those I just mentioned. However, my full allegiance is to Jesus Christ.

What part of the doctrines of grace do you dispute?

lyn said...

I briefly glanced at your link, honestly, I cannot agree with this article. I would ask you to read this...

What Calvin taught is what the Bible teaches, therefore it is NOT Calvin's teachings, but that of our Lord. I used to despise 'calvinism', only because my understanding of what he taught was clouded by my own ignorance. But, as I studied more in depth the doctrine of soteriology, I was brought to the proper understanding of how God saves, and how depraved sinners are.

I would be very interested in hearing your personal rebuttal on tulip. We can address it a letter at a time, starting with total depravity.

lyn said...


Paul Washer has a great study called 'the truth about man' that you can get here...

Jehovah Mekoddishkem said...

ali,,Maybe by Finding neutral ground would you consider Spurgeon to be a great preacher and do you agree with him

Before I give you a dose of Spurgeon here's a short history of the nickname "Calvinism" which is not the true name at all~~

"Long after guys like Martin Luther, John Calvin, long after they were dead, there was a meeting of churches a synod, in a place called Dort Holland. And the objective behind this meeting of Churches was to hammer out biblical doctrine where salvation is concerned so that there would be unity in the churches about what the Bible does teach. The impetus behind it was that a man by the name of Jacob Armenias, who was actually a student of one of the students of John Calvin, He decided that the Calvinistic approach to salvation didn’t leave enough room for man’s free will. And so he came up with 5 essential points that he considered the 5 points of doctrine on which biblical were based. The senate at Dort was gathered to review Jacob Armenias five points, and they determined that his 5 points were not in fact biblical. And so as a result the senate at Dort developed 5 points in response to the points of Aremenias, and those 5 points have been known ever since as the reformed points or the doctrines of grace but the primary nick name are the 5 points of Calvinism. Now, because Calvinism is the nickname that is given to the primary theology of salvation that grew out of the protestant reformation critics of reformed theology like to point to the fact that this theology is called Calvinism, and they’ll say well then you’re following a man, you’re following John Calvin. John Calvin was long dead by the time the senate that developed these 5 points met and over the course of months developed the theology and published the theology. And then they it adopted that nickname name Calvinism because it was the protestant reformation of Luther, of Calvin of Zwingli and others that lay at the very heart of this movement to get back to what does the bible say about salvation. Because there are an awful lot of theories, lots of conjecture and a ton of tradition." -Jim Clardy

Jehovah Mekoddishkem said...

cont.`` with Spurgeon on his thoughts on "Calvinism"

Salvation is of The Lord

"Salvation is of the Lord." That is just an epitome of Calvinism; it is the sum and substance of it. If anyone should ask me what I mean by a Calvinist, I should reply, "He is one who says, Salvation is of the Lord." I cannot find in Scripture any other doctrine than this. It is the essence of the Bible. "He only is my rock and my salvation." Tell me anything contrary to this truth, and it will be a heresy; tell me a heresy, and I shall find its essence here, that it has departed from this great, this fundamental, this rock-truth, "God is my rock and my salvation." What is the heresy of Rome, but the addition of something to the perfect merits of Jesus Christ—the bringing in of the works of the flesh, to assist in our justification? And what is the heresy of Arminianism but the addition of something to the work of the Redeemer? Every heresy, if brought to the touchstone, will discover itself here. I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel, if we do not preach justification by faith, without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing, unchangeable, eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel, unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross; nor can I comprehend a gospel which lets saints fall away after they are called, and suffers the children of God to be burned in the fires of damnation after having once believed in Jesus. Such a gospel I abhor. —C. H. Spurgeon (1834-1892)

Excerpt taken from a sermon titled "A Defense of Calvinism" by C. H. Spurgeon

lyn said...

Well said Linda, I know there are many who attack Calvinism. I used to do the same thing; then when I started studying more in depth I realized the doctrines of grace are in fact true and biblical.

For example, one argument concerning one of the letters in tulip, limited atonement, states 1 John 2:2, 'and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world' arguing Christ atoned for everybody's sin. That is not what the text actually says; the word 'propitiation' is the key to unlocking this verse. God spent His wrath on His son, to be the propitiation for sin means to appease. Christ satisfied God's wrath at sin by taking that wrath upon Himself, if it were for the whole 'world', then no one will face wrath because Christ has already bore the sins of all and God's wrath was spent on His Son, meaning there is no more wrath for sin...including the sin of unbelief...according to the argument against limited atonement. That is not true at all, that would be like saying Hitler is in heaven because Christ was the 'propitiation for the sins of the whole world'.

So John must be referring to all who would believe throughout the world from the beginning of time til the end of time. If not, then the Bible is filled with error and contradiction.

The two books I sent you really helped me to understand more clearly these doctrines of grace.

ali said...

My dealings with Calvinism albeit limited are enough to make me wary of the teaching.

Once saved always saved, imho, contridicts Hebrews 3 and 6.

Divins selection, you are chosen, you are not, again, imho contridicts scripture in that our L-RD says He does not wish any should perish but all come to faith.

A friends mother, who is not saved, heard the teaching of Calvin several years ago and is convinced she was not chosen and therefore will never be saved. This is an extreme case, but points to what a little bit of leaven can do to the entire loaf.

Signing off now - debat is not one of my favorite passtimes.

lyn said...


I understand your concerns, once saved always saved is not the best way to word it. God is sovereign right? He does not change His mind, that's what Malachi 3:6 teaches. If God elects a sinner to salvation, He will keep that sinner until the day of their departure {Phil. 1:6}.

The verses that seem to say God desires all to be saved cannot be interpreted literally, for then we have a God that desires everyone to be saved but can't pull it off. If God wanted all to be saved, what did Christ mean when He said 'many are called, few are chosen'?

We have to understand whenever the Bible uses the term 'all', it does not mean everybody who ever lived. All who have been elected unto eternal life will indeed be saved. If salvation were for every single person, then why do they all not come?
If salvation can be lost, then God is not sovereign and powerful, He cannot finish what He started. You cannot lose something you had nothing to do with; which is what 1 John 5:13 declares, 'These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.' This is assurance because our salvation rests not on us, but solely in His grace through the finished work of Christ.

As for the woman convinced she wasn't the elect, we are not to worry about who God chooses because we do not know who they are. If she rejected Christ because she thought she wasn't elect, obviously she wasn't. God has a right to save or leave in sin, He created all things to do as He pleases; He owes us nothing but wrath. To think otherwise is to misunderstand His attributes.

What do you do with Romans 9:13, 'Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED." Here we see a choice made by God, according to His sovereign will.
Then we read this in verse 15, 'For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." next verse 'So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.' Here is the doctrine of election in a nutshell, God chooses some, according to His good pleasure, unto eternal life; others He leaves in their depraved state. Either way, God will get glory Ali. It doesn't seem fair to our human mindset, especially when we read verses that seem to contradict the doctrine of election; that is when we have to go back and study those passages and realize 'all' does not mean every single person.

The word 'all' in the Greek has several meanings, one of which is "some of all types". This definition fits with all the verses we find that teach election/elect. God desires {wills, intends} some of all types of sinners, from all walks of life, to be saved.

One verse that proves the doctrine of election is biblical is found in 2 Thess. 2:13, 'But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.'

I do not wish to force you into a debate, please read what I have presented and consider it.

Bless you

Jehovah Mekoddishkem said...

Only God is sovereign and knows all things, whom he has chosen and whom he has not chosen.

the lady ali mentioned by assuming automatically God did not choose her is a sad and poor choice of over reaching God's authority in the matter. How would she know? She doesn't. We are to preach the Gospel regardless to all men/women. We have no idea whom God will save and not save

This scenario does not make God choosing us according to his word any less true but only proves that this lady as with many others has misunderstood God's sovereign right to elect whom he chooses..

lyn said...

I do not understand how you could hear about the doctrine of election and then assume God has not chosen you...what did she base this on? Unless someone specifically told her she was not chosen, which should NEVER be said to a sinner, how would she know?

lyn said...


I came across this in Dr. Boice's book entitled 'the doctrines of grace' concerning the woman your statement "A friends mother, who is not saved, heard the teaching of Calvin several years ago and is convinced she was not chosen and therefore will never be saved".

I think this is very fitting from Dr. Boice,"The Bible NEVER says that sinners miss heaven because they are not elect, but because they neglect the great salvation and because they will not repent and believe".

Anonymous said...

" for then we have a God that desires everyone to be saved but can't pull it off."
What a stupid statement.
Why did God give us free will?

lyn said...


Where in God's word does it state we have free will to choose Jesus and be saved?
Let me direct you to Ephesians 2:1,5 "And you were dead in your trespasses and sins" "even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)"

Here are two verses that prove man is dead in sin; dead men do not respond to anything. God makes sinners alive, He regenerates them and draws them to Christ. God chooses us, we do not choose Him - Ephesians 1:4 'just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him' or this from 2 Thess 2:13, 'But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.' and Col. 3:12, 'So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience'

The clearest verses that debunk 'free will' are found in Romans 9:15-16, 'For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy." Here lies the 'key' to being saved, God's mercy, made available to sinners ONLY because Christ was sacrificed and rose from the dead.

In order to prove right from wrong, we must stick with God's word, reading it in context and studying it. The accursed gospel of 'free will' has led to a widespread epidemic of false converts who live like devils yet think themselves saved because they made their decision for Christ. The Bible warns against robbing God of glory "I am the LORD, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images." Isaiah 42:8 Whenever someone claims they have free will and can choose Jesus, they rob God of glory.

I encourage you to study man's depravity, then you will understand how wicked we all truly are. We love sin and would never choose a holy God over our love of sin. We are in bondage to sin, being slaves to it - "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin." John 8:34

It is not humanly possible to choose Jesus because we are in bondage to the sin we all love and we are dead in sin. You can choose what you will wear, what you will have for breakfast, and what you watch on tv, however, you have no ability to choose spiritual matters like coming to Christ. This is why it is essential to firmly grasp the doctrine of regeneration as well as the doctrine of man's depravity.

Rather than make a snarky comment like 'what a stupid statement', I challenge you to study God's word and seek His wisdom on the false doctrine of free will.