Precious Jesus

"Afresh, precious, precious Jesus, I resign this body to You, for doing or suffering, for living or dying. Will You accept it? Will You use me for Your glory more than heretofore, that You may have some little return for all the benefits You have done to me? Oh, do grant this request; my heart longs for it, my spirit pleads for it; and "if You will, You can." You know the hot temptation of which I am the subject. Bring Your glory out of it, and keep me from the evil, and it shall be well." - Ruth Bryan

Sunday, February 19, 2012

Is Whitney Houston in heaven?




*this post is not passing judgment on Whitney Houston, God is her judge. This post will examine her life and compare her life to Scripture*



Over 100,000 people die everyday, most without Christ.  More often than not, those left behind insist their departed loved one is now in heaven, regardless of how they lived their lives while on earth. A most recent example is the death of singing 'icon' Whitney Houston.  So many are insisting this woman is now in heaven, regardless of her bondage to drugs for years and her love of the limelight. In Ms. Houston's case, this assurance is solidified because she grew up in a church, sang in the choir, and often mentioned Jesus. Her funeral was filled with praises for her earthly accomplishments, her inspiration on other female singers that either are trying to make it big or have made it, and her acting accomplishments. There is no doubt this woman was gifted by God with a voice like no other, but, what did she do with the gift God gave her? Did she use it solely to glorify God? It would seem she did not.

When the world praises someone, it is because that person belonged to the world {John 15:19a}. Yet, we find the Apostle John warning us not to love the world, or the things of the world {1st John 2:15}. Christ Himself warns us in Luke 14:33 we must forsake all we have to be His disciple; that does not mean we give up everything we own, it means Christ must be first and we must be willing to leave all behind, if called to do so, for His sake. The Lord Jesus also warns the world will hate His followers {John 15:19}, the world would be glad to rid the earth of all who truly belong to Him; they certainly would not praise or admire a true slave of Christ. Those who God saves have been called out of the world, they no longer live to please the desires of the flesh; their lives are marked by living in a way that is contrary to those dead in sin. Seeking wealth, recognition and material possessions are not characteristic of a follower of Jesus Christ. It seems Whitney had a love/hate relationship with her fame and what it cost her; according to her mother - 'Mrs Houston also recalls how her daughter dreamed at turning her back on fame, and her larger-than-life career.'I later learned that Nippy seriously considered walking away from it all after Krissi was born. One time, she was looking out a window and she said, "You know, I never asked for this madness. I couldn't have imagined it."'
She told McNeil: 'All she wanted to be was a normal person'
. - from the daily mail  How sad.


Whitney Houston claimed to have a desire to sing, but if that is all she wanted, why didn't she walk away from the demands of the entertainment industry and the fans who idolized her? Why charge for people to see you perform if you simply wanted to share your gift with them? Only God knows her true motives.  My guess is the fame, notoriety, money, awards, perks and desire to be on top were too much to walk away from.To her credit, in a People article dated May 19, 1986, Whitney said this, ""I'm not wild about people looking at me as a role model," Whitney says. "What I do have is a talent I got from God. I'm me. That's all."

It is no secret this woman battled addiction, she died as a result of chronic cocaine use, which led to her  alleged accidental drowning. I have heard it said addiction is a disease. This is man's way of dealing with and labeling what the Bible calls 'sin'. Man says 'go to rehab', the Bible says 'repent'. Whitney went to rehab and came out still in bondage to drugs. All sin is a bondage, all who sin are enslaved to it {John 8:34}. This is why addicts cannot go through a man-made program and be set free; more often than not, they trade one addiction for another {some actually are freed by God, but they never give Him the credit}. How terribly sad is it that both Whitney and her mother attended church and yet, they both appeared to be clueless to sins' bondage. Apparently, they never heard a sermon on sin, its bondage, its destruction, or how to overcome sin...Jesus Christ.

When God regenerates a dead sinner, it is His power that frees them from sin's bondage. If Whitney were truly born again {John 3:3}, she would not have continued abusing drugs and alcohol, for the Lord Jesus Christ who lives within every believer would have empowered her over sin {John 8:36}.  Also, if she were a child of God, He would not have left her in her bondage for nearly 3 decades. God deals with His children when they sin, He does not let a born again believer stay in habitual sin.
Drunkenness is a sin, the Bible warns a drunkard will not enter into the kingdom of heaven {1st Corinthians 6:9-10}. What about drug addiction, whether legal or illegal?
"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."- Revelation 21:8. I have hi-lighted sorcerers because that is where we find out what happens to addicts who willfully continue in their addiction. Sorcerer is from the Greek word pharmakeus {which is where we get our word 'pharmacy'} and means 'a drug, that is, spell giving potion; a druggist (“pharmacist”) or poisoner, that is, (by extension) a magician: - sorcerer'. Those God re-births do not continue in their sins, they do not abuse drugs and alcohol because Christ has set them free from this bondage. Their desire now is to serve Him and bring Him glory. Ms. Houston was still in bondage to her addiction, sadly her claim to love Jesus was not heartfelt, "if you love me you will keep my commandments" {John 14:15}.

What about the desire for fame, wealth, recognition and all that goes with that? What does the Bible say about this and what are we to be content with? "But godliness actually is a means of great gain when accompanied by contentment" - 1Timothy 6:6. "if we have food and covering, with these we shall be content" - 1 Timothy 6:8 Living a godly life and being content with what God provides, food and covering, are all we need. What happens when our sinful hearts say that isn't enough and we desire glamor, glitter, the praise of men, the finest this life has to offer? "But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction." - 1 timothy 6:9 This verse sums it all up, when we desire the pleasures of this world, we plunge ourselves into ruin and destruction; isn't that the end result of fame and fortune and doesn't it lead to looking for a way of escape from the entertainment industry and the demands of the world through alcohol and drugs? It is a destructive and deadly pattern we have seen over and over again with devastating and lasting results. This is from Thomas Watson, "The bee may suck a little honey from the leaf, but put it in a barrel of honey and it dies. Christians must stave of the world so that it does not get into their heart (Psalm 62:10). Water is useful to the ship and helps it to sail better to the haven, but let the water get into the ship, if it is not pumped out, it drowns the ship. So riches are useful and convenient for our passage. We sail more comfortably with them through the troubles of this world; but if the water gets into the ship, if love of riches gets into the heart, then we are drowned by them (1 Timothy 6:9). - from 'the Puritan Pulpit'

God does not delight in the death of the wicked ""For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies," declares the Lord GOD. "Therefore, repent and live." - Ezekiel 18:32 There must be a forsaking of sin if one claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ - ""The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness." - 2nd Timothy 2:19. If you carefully examine Whitney's life, you see a habitual pattern of sin and rebellion.

 I also think it is worth noting this quote from MSN's evolution of a diva concerning Whitney, "Though nearly everything that can be said about Houston's spectacular and prolonged fall from grace has been said, it's worth noting that for her entire career, Whitney Houston's public face was forever turned toward innocence, purity of purpose and gospel music, while a very different story roiled beneath the surface. Perhaps the power of the diva image is such that since her death people have clung more to Houston's myth than to her more complicated reality."

Those who habitually sin, committing the sames sins day in and day out prove they do not know Christ and that He has not regenerated them. They simply give lip service, "Then the Lord said, "Because this people draw near with their words And honor Me with their lip service, But they remove their hearts far from Me" - Isaiah 29:13. You can claim Jesus loves you, but if you are living in habitual sin, your claim is merely empty words. The love of sin is in your heart, there is no evidence of a renewing of the mind {Romans 12:2}.  From his book, 'The Gospel According to Jesus', John MacArthur states "the contemporary church has the idea that salvation is only the granting of eternal life, not necessarily the liberation of a sinner from the bondage of his iniquity. We tell people that God loves them and has a wonderful plan for their lives, but that is only half the truth. God also hates sin and will punish unrepentant sinners with eternal torment. No gospel presentation is complete if it avoids or conceals those facts. Any message that fails to define and confront the severity of personal sin is a deficient gospel. And any 'salvation' that does not alter a lifestyle of sin and transform the heart of the sinner is not the salvation God's word speaks of." If you profess Christ and yet continue on in rebellious sin without repenting, you have not been regenerated by God, you are still in bondage to sin. This is why mere verbal professions are meaningless if not proven by a changed life, a life free from sin's bondage and striving now for holiness; not in order to be saved, for salvation rests in the finished work of Christ. In obedience the born again believer will forsake sin and strive for holiness for the glory of God.

What about the Bible verses Whitney Houston quoted or her insistence that she is a child of God? Even Satan quotes Scripture, that does not mean Satan is a follower of Christ, nor does it mean anyone who can quote Scripture is a follower of Jesus Christ. Examine the fruit of the life of someone who claims to be in Christ and, if you have the gift of discernment, you will be able to tell if what they claim is true. This does not mean you condemn them to hell, their sins will condemn them to hell, according to the Scriptures.
This video gives us insight into her 'spiritual journey', which is not biblical at all.

Getting back to the title of this post, is Whitney Houston in heaven? If you examine her life and compare it to God's word, it would appear she is not. We do not know what happened those final moments of her life, only God knows. We do know that she was under the influence of cocaine, so she was not in her right mind. It would seem she died as she lived, without Christ. Yes, it is possible He could have saved her before her life ended. In reality, her life was riddled with sin; addiction, materialism, idolatry, immoral behavior, the desire for riches and fame...none of which are characteristic of the new birth. Whitney Houston used her voice for her own selfish desires and ended up self-destructing as a result. This is a tragedy, it is also a lesson for those who have ears to hear. Her reward was all she accomplished in this life "Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things" - Luke 16:25: commentary from Barnes on this verse zeroes in on the word 'remember' -"This is a cutting word in this place. One of the chief torments of hell will be the “remembrance” of what was enjoyed and of what was done in this world. Nor will it be any mitigation of the suffering to spend an “eternity” where there will be nothing else to do, day or night, but to “remember” what “was” done, and what “might have been,” if the life had been right." Let me add the unending torment and agony the Christ rejecting sinner will endure because of unbelief and willful disobedience. Lazarus the beggar received evil things in this life and now is comforted forever, while the rich man is in torment, again, we turn to Barnes commentary on the phrase 'but now'..."But the comforts of the rich man are now gone forever, and the joys of Lazarus have just commenced. “One” is to be comforted, and “the other” to be tormented, to all eternity. How much better, therefore, is poverty, with the friendship of God, than riches, with all that the world can bestow! And how foolish to seek our chief pleasures only in this life!" Whitney Houston has already received her reward, and it was not lasting. It is gone, just like her life. Others will still feed off her 'fame' and many will desire to be like her, considering her life a success based on her achievements, awards, and talent. It seems when Whitney first got started, her mother had serious concerns about this very thing when she told this to People magazine, " Even now, Cissy frets about the psychic G forces exerted by sudden fame: "There's so much mess out there—drugs and all that kind of business," she says. "But Whitney is very levelheaded, and I hope and pray...." {People magazine May 19, 1986 edition, vol. 25, no. 20}

Few will actually consider her self-destruction and the reason for it; as in her eulogy, her sins will not be addressed, nor will the end result of the desires for fame and fortune be considered. How many more have to die before the entertainment industry 'gets it'? Sadly, they do not care because of their dead-in-sin state; they will find the next great talent and feed off that talent until it self-destructs...and the pattern goes on and on and on. Whitney's image on stage was a figment of Clive Davis' imagination, he made her into something that wasn't really real when she was on stage and contributed to her destruction by exposing her to the demands of the entertainment industry. He made tons of money off this woman and will continue to 'feed off' those who have a God-given talent to sing. This does not mean he forced Whitney to do drugs, her inability to cope with the demands and pressures of living in the limelight and having her every move exposed to all the world were too much for her to handle.



Such a beautiful voice thrown away for the fleeting pleasures of this life; how she could have brought God glory if only she'd used her voice to sing praises to Him and Him alone instead of desiring to be a diva in the world of pop culture entertainment. Whitney Houston loved the world; the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, the pride of life, and the world chewed her up and spit her out. Now the world will latch on to a new 'idol', 'diva', 'icon'; she will be replaced and forgotten just as quickly as she rose to stardom- here  and here a re prime examples - . Her voice is now forever silenced, her time is through and her fate is sealed. My hope is that God did save her in those final moments.

Link

****************************************************************************

I feel the need to add this to my post ---

There are reports that a tabloid mag has published photos of Whitney in her casket, which is the lowest of lows. Some of the comments concerning this are just as disturbing, comments like 'she looks so peaceful', she looks as beautiful in death as in life' etc.

Even in death, we deny the ugliness and finality of it. When my own mother died, she looked wonderful the day of her viewing. BUT, the night she died was a different story. I know this is a touchy subject and I mean no disrespect to my own mom, whom I love dearly and miss more than words can say.

When the soul leaves the body, the body becomes this hard mass of clay-like substance, cold to the touch. Funeral directors work wonders when they work on the deceased, maybe they do too good a job.

The body starts to decompose almost immediately, what takes place on that cold slab in the mortuary to get the deceased to look good is really hard to stomach, I will not go there.
What people need to understand is that the body is now lifeless, the person is not at rest just because they look good in a coffin; for those who are in Hades, it is quite the opposite picture. They are terrified, so much so that it would make the hair on the back of our necks stand on end if we could get a glimpse of the horrors they face...hardly resting in peace. There is no peace for the wicked, neither in this life nor in death. We need not glamorize death or gloss over its ugliness; let us speak of its horrors and warn others ' lest they also come into this place of torment' - Luke 16:28

72 comments:

Jehovah Mekoddishkem said...

Very good post and one that is very sensitive. But the truth must be told. I had tears fill my eyes when I first read she had died.
Like you stated we don't know her heart-God does, but we do know the fruit she bore and sadly with a very heavy heart was not lookin like good fruit

thanks lyn

Love you in the Lord Jesus Christ all for His matchless glory and honor

lyn said...

I know what you mean Linda; when I heard her sing 'I will always love you' I could not believe the voice God gifted her with. I also wonder why her family would encourage her to pursue fame and fortune, considering the claim to be Christian. This is such a tragedy, a life cut short by deadly sinful behavior {if in fact they find the combination of drugs and alcohol to be the reason behind her death}. She spiraled out of control...where was her 'church', where was the Pastor? Why did he not rebuke her? The answer lies in a problem that is huge...most churches in America are apostate and do not adhere to sola scriptura.

A beautiful voice forever silenced and her sins covered over in her eulogy. Truth must be told, no matter how painful; perhaps someone will be spared the fate of Whitney Houston by hearing truth. That is my prayer.

ChurchSalt said...

Great post. Let us not forget to examine our own lives as well to be sure that we are indeed found in the faith.

lyn said...

I could not agree more Churchsalt...I pray for God to get glory and for the true Gospel to be proclaimed at my own funeral. All my earthly accomplishments mean nothing if they were not for the sake of the kingdom and for His glory.

Anonymous said...

Lyn, thank you for posting your blog site on defcon. I have read comments from you before and have enjoyed reading your wonderful remarks that glorify our Lord. I hardly ever leave comments on any sites I visit, but wanted to say how much I will enjoy perusing yours. In Christ, Nikki

lyn said...

Nikki,
I appreciate your kindness, and must give all glory to the only One who is worthy - the great, mighty, powerful, merciful, gracious, holy, righteous 'I AM'.

In Christ
Lyn

Jon Gleason said...

Well stated. If you are interested, I made some similar points, but had a very different emphasis. I didn't much want to talk about Whitney Houston's eternal destiny, because we can't really know.

I focused more on the mess that is the entertainment industry, and how Christians should respond. I believe this is probably a bigger problem for more Christians today.
http://mindrenewers.com/2012/02/13/weeping-for-whitney/

lyn said...

Thanks Jon, I will indeed check it out. After watching a bit of her funeral, and the repeated statements by some that she was in heaven, I was prompted to post this. You are correct, we cannot know, as I stated in this post. However, if they reveal she died as a result of drugs and/or alcohol, I believe we can be more certain she died as she lived...without Jesus Christ

Jon Gleason said...

I agree, Lyn, although true believers can get themselves into such a mess sometimes. It's not so much what she did in the last hours before she died but the consistent pattern....

It's indicative of what a mess so-called Christianity has become that we even have to talk about that. People just talk as if everyone gets into Heaven, rather than the truth that it is the few who are saved.

lyn said...

Yes Jon, true believers do indeed fall into sin, however, Ms. Houston's adult life was patterned by habitual and willful sin. God will not let His chosen ones stay in sin for decades, as she did. 1 John teaches us those who sin prove they are of the devil, those who practice righteousness prove they are of God; that is how we can tell sheep from goats.
It breaks my heart to know Whitney Houston is more than likely in outer darkness, awaiting her final judgment. I can only ask why didn't someone from her church, namely her pastor, go to her and rebuke her?
A life patterned by habitual sin proves one is still in bondage. If your life goes, as hers did, for years in sinful behavior, what does that say about God's saving power? He was not able to free Whitney of her bondage, nor did He even bother to chastise her? How I wish she were in heaven, but I have to weigh her life in light of God's word, for His word is truth.

lyn said...

We have got to speak out on sin, we have got to call addiction what it is, sin. Addiction is not a disease, it is a choice. Same with homosexuality, adultery, greed, lying, cheating, etc. These are all choices we make, and they are all sin. Where is the man of God who will speak out against sin, then present the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ? There is no doubt in my mind had Whitney Houston chose to stay in the church choir rather than fame and fortune, she would still be here. The tragedy is the loss of any soul, whether famous or not: as hell fills daily where are those who know truth and why aren't we shouting it from the rooftops? The Gospel of grace is not good news if we do not know how utterly vile and wicked we are and if we do not hear we have no hope after this life without believing on the Lord Jesus. Where is the discipleship? So much is wrong with America, there is such a famine of truth. We need to cry out to God for His grace, mercy and power for sinners in this, and every nation. I pray for heaven to increase in number and hell to decrease.

Marie said...

Well-said, Lyn. I thought about this too....what bothered me as much as the "addiction" (aka life-dominating sin) was the coverage of a cult she seemed to get involved with towards the end of her life, in Israel (some sort of Hebraic African sect that believes the Messiah is among them).

My friend Dr. Mark Shaw ("The Heart of Addiction") posted the following entry yesterday - "Whitney Houston: A Biblical View on Addiction". He makes many of the same points you did: http://www.histruthinlove.com/?p=4591

lyn said...

I am vaguely familiar with this cult, but I didn't know she was involved. I heard her interview with Oprah and some things she said there were very strange; for example, she and Oprah 'connected spiritually'. Oprah is very new age in her beliefs. It seemed Whitney relied on her own strength to overcome her 'demons', she even sang a song entitled 'didn't know my own strength' during this interview. Her 'god' was herself, which is why she failed so tragically.

Thanks for the link, I am going there now.

Marie said...

Yes, there was quite a bit of footage during the news last week. I don't remember names - I barely paid attention but the news was on while we ate - and the gist of it was, she traveled to the "Holy Land" to hook up with this group to help her fight her "demons" (addiction). Then, she was baptized by them - in the Jordan River; cellphone in hand to call her mom - but because of the voice-over I couldn't hear whose name she was baptized into. My husband and I were saying, she'd have done better to have just returned to her Baptist church in New Jersey!!

lyn said...

Wow, thanks for sharing that Marie. I agree, she would have been better off returning to her Baptist church...I think.

I wonder, where was her Pastor and her church while she struggled years with her bondage to sin? Why didn't her pastor or a church member rebuke her? I have heard her mother intervened a couple of times and made her go to rehab, sadly, that did more harm than good. Her mom claims to be a Christian and yet, she was unaware that Whitney's alcohol and drug abuse was not simply an addiction, it was a choice she made which catapulted her into the bondage that ultimately killed her.

I am convinced Whitney ran from God and sought other ways to battle her bondage, ways like you have spoken of. There is this deeply embedded idea if we 'do something', such as be baptized, we will be made right with God. Then, we can go on with life as usual. I listened to a bit of her funeral, it was an entertainment circus. People applauding each other and patting themselves on the back, Whitney's life exalted like she was a 'goddess', her sin was never addressed...and we all go to heaven in a little row boat right?

America is in the midst of a famine of biblical truth, pulpits across the land refuse to preach the whole counsel, as a result, we see a nation in decay and crumbling to the ground. Sin is re-labeled so as to not offend anyone, repentance is not addressed, striving for holiness, denying yourself and seeking to honor God and bring Him glory are topics you will not hear in the majority of churches in this nation. This is why I read the writings of men from the past, like Spurgeon, Ryle, Watson, etc. We are in very dark days sister...may God be merciful.

donna said...

Hi Lyn, your article is about the only bibically based one re the death of Ms. Houston. Sadly when Whitney Houston was a young teen like 15 or so she was already singing in the nightclubs with her mother Cissy as well as doing background vocals for artists ie Chaka Khan, etc. When she got older her mom allowed her to solo in those nightclub performances--yet at the same time she was singing in the youth choir at her Baptist church. I wonder if that contradiction is what made Whitney think she could sing for the world and yet think she was ok?

lyn said...

Hi Donna,

You could be on to something there. I watched interviews of Whitney with Diane Sawyer and Oprah Winfrey. The Diane Sawyer one was interesting, when asked about her drug of choice, Ms. Houston said she made too much money for crack. She seemed almost insulted that someone would assume she was on crack.
Whitney also told Oprah she would lace her pot with cocaine. How deadly is this, she did claim alcohol was not an issue with her. Those who are in bondage to sin, the sin of drugs and alcohol, will never admit truth. It is a miserable life filled with deception, lies, and misery.

Still, this is so very tragic. Why would her mother want her daughter to pursue fame and fortune? I would never allow my daughter to pursue such a godless lifestyle. It could very well be as you say, she assumed it was okay to sing in clubs as long as she sang in the choir as well.
This is the sad state of the churches in this country; if you watched any of Ms. Houston's funeral, you'd know what a horrendous circus it was. There was no mention of her sins, no Gospel presentation, not even from the 'pastor' of this church. It was all about what a wonderful talent she was, what she gave the world; as if her voice was something she could take credit for.

I am led to believe that even as a young child Whitney probably never heard much about repentance, sin, depravity, God's holiness, righteousness, wrath, and so on. We live in a time when you can live like the devil and still claim Jesus loves you, and as long as you convince yourself of this, it's okay to keep on sinning. This is the sad truth, we all are in bondage to sin and love it, none of us would part with our sins apart from God's grace, His regenerating work...the new birth.
Even in Whitney's case, so many are afraid to speak the truth, more than likely, she is not in heaven. She was in bondage to her sins and she loved it, so much so that it cost her dearly. She loved people idolizing her, which is a sin in itself. All glory is due to God and God alone. The ignorance of God's word and His attributes is shameful, our culture has this view of God as allowing all to enter into His kingdom, regardless of how you lived your life on earth. God forbid anybody speak otherwise; if we do not start speaking out, hell will continue to be heavily populated. It truly breaks my heart to know that Whitney, as well as all who die without Christ, are in torment and agony right now: but I know my God is just and judges rightly. God sends no one to hell, we send ourselves because of our love of sin. May our great and awesome God be merciful, may He pour out grace and truth throughout the world.


Thanks for the comment Donna

Jon Gleason said...

I'm afraid the nature of her funeral tells us all we need to know about her Baptist church.

lyn said...

Exactly Jon.
Marie mentioned this 'sect' Whitney had joined a few years back in her comment here, as she said it is 'some sort of Hebraic African sect that believes the Messiah is among them'. I did watch a video of Whitney being baptized, along with her husband, during this event. Whitney seemed to be searching for something to give her peace, all the while running from true Peace. Sadly, she never found it.

Anonymous said...

Good post from a Christian point of view.

Here's a question that some may ask. Was Whitney too far from being helped by God? Was she too far into alcohol and drug dependency that even God could not reach her?

I was just thinking about those that Christ went out of his way to find. I believe he did this to make a point. That even the demon possessed such as the Gadarene man who lived among the tombs, and the man by the pool of Siloam, as well as the man blind from birth...those out of touch with the mainstream, those who were not part of the crowd, the ten lepers, etc.; those with gigantic problems...needed only to hear the word and respond. And I believe Christ did that for an example to those who would live in the centuries to follow, who would hear of Christ's power available to all who would cry out to him or respond to his word in obedience. They could have faith that their own belief and repentance could produce the same results as it did for these fringe elements of society.

No Whitney was not too far away. She just never asked. She had money and self reliance. They failed her. Had she come to Christ, he would not have failed her.

Carolyn

lyn said...

Carolyn,

Well said. She did not desire to deny self and forsake all she had to follow Christ, she desired fame and fortune instead. She loved the limelight, even when the demands of being a diva became overwhelming, she still would not walk away. Instead, she coped with those demands through drugs and alcohol; that was her escape.

God could have saved her, but Whitney loved her sins more than the thought of repenting and forsaking them. She was not one of God's 'elect', for if she had been, she never would have stayed in bondage to her sins. The supernatural power of God would have regenerated her and she would have left the music world behind and followed Christ.

She got involved with a dangerous sect known as the Hebrew Africans, here is a link to her 'baptism' into this sect...http://www.metacafe.com/watch/331165/whitney_houston_the_hebrew_africans/

They believe they're black Hebrew Israelites from some lost tribe, there are different groups that have branched out of this sect, you can get a more in-depth understanding here - http://www.gotquestions.org/black-hebrews-israelites.html

Whitney was apparently seeking some sort of spiritual peace or connection with some sort of 'god', however, the bible is clear that no man seeks the God of the bible. No one can come to Christ unless the Father draws them {John 6:44}. Without God's grace, no one would be saved {Ephesians 2:8-9}. The danger of the 'free will' theology is a damnable heresy, no one chooses God unless He first regenerates them for all are dead in sin {Ephesians 2:1, 5}. This is why we have so many goats running around, claiming to be Christian, yet they live like devils. They are saved because they claim they made a decision, or invited Jesus into their hearts; this is not possible because of man's depraved state of mind. To take credit for any part of the salvation God gifts one with is to rob Him of glory, let us take heed not to rob the Almighty One of His due.

lyn said...

As for her drug and alcohol dependency, let's not confuse worldly terms with what the Bible calls sin. Whitney was in bondage to her sinful choices, drugs and alcohol. Christ himself taught all who sin are slaves to it - John 8:34.
If Christ frees you from sin and it's bondage, you are free indeed - John 8:36. This is how we tell the righteous from the wicked, those who continue in sin prove they are of the devil, those who practice righteousness prove they belong to Christ - see 1st John 3:1-10

The world labels drunkenness/drugs as a 'disease', or an addiction. Just like the world labels homosexuality as genetic and gay. This all lessens the severity of sin, and ultimately makes the sinner more at ease with his/her sinful practices. So they go on in their sins until death takes them down to the grave, and their souls end up in Hades. This is why truth must be spoken, and we must refrain from using the world's terminology when it comes to sin.

Whitney sang 'Jesus loves me', she sang gospel, she claimed to be a child of God; but in the end, it does not matter what we claim, the question is, did Christ know her? Did God regenerate her? Did she live solely for the glory of God, striving for holiness and Christ-likeness? The answers to all these questions are found in her bondage to sin, her fruit, the way she lived her life and who she lived for, herself...the answers to these questions is 'no'.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94LqwMM0zkg

Whitney Houston Receives Award of Merit - AMA 1994

There is not one shred of doubt this lady will be gracing all our presence in Heaven on that glorious day... there is not one shred of doubt... (forward to 2:00)"not alone"... she could not get there alone ......... "to GOD IS THE GLORY>>>> I sing cause he blesses me and BOBBIE..."

I don't mean to shout.
But aside from 1994 Grammy - this was her greatest professional industry moment, not comparable to many to this day... and she waited for the right moment to give it to God above. It was unscripted and unreal in beauty.

This woman was indescribably beautiful >knew it< and was still more humble than many/any you will find out there today.

This woman no matter how jaded and tired she became at the final few days knew she was to see the Lord, soon.

BTW I thought n o one is in Heaven yet, but all those who have passed away are in slumber and we will all be united in the sky on the day of Judgement? Am I wrong on that?

lyn said...

Anon,

So, you are basing her entrance into heaven on some temporal earthly accomplishment? Let me ask you this, how was God glorified in Whitney's 'accomplishments'? Some of the lyrics to her songs were suggestive and sensual in content, is that the mark of a true follower of Christ? It isn't if you adhere to the authority of God's word. Also, she provoked idolatry...of herself. Her fans 'adored' her, screamed for her, bought her albums, paid to see her perform, and what did she do with all that fame and fortune? SHE SPENT IT ON HERSELF.

Did you even read the article?


I have seen interviews of Whitney that reveal the true side of her, for instance, her interview with Diane Sawyer from 2002 and her confession that the biggest devil was her concerning her addiction. The fact that she was in bondage to drugs is proof she was not a child of God, for Christ Himself teaches in John 8:34 "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.
John 8:36 "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed." Those God re-births are set free from their bondage to sin, they overcome, they do not deliberately sin {read 1 John chapter 3}.

Also, Whitney was sexually immoral with men, which is what her boyfriend stated in an article I'd read. It was also revealed in her autopsy report she'd had breast implants, why would a woman of God want to enhance their breasts? This would cause men to lust, which is sin. A true woman of God knows this and would never do such a thing. Vanity is another issue with Ms. Houston, she had 11 dental implants, her teeth were immaculate, her breasts were enhanced, she'd had a small scar on her lip from an incision, I'm guessing due to some sort of lip enhancing procedure. She pampered herself from head to toe and made sure her appearance was immaculate. There is nothing wrong with wanting to look presentable, there is everything wrong when it becomes vanity.

Again, the Bible forbids the sexually immoral entrance into God's kingdom - see 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Sounds to me like you have made an 'idol' out of a sinner; unfortunately, God's word does not lie. Ms. Houston was not a true follower of Christ, she merely gave lip service. As the Lord Himself says in Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." You see, it isn't verbal professions that make one a 'Christian', it's obeying God's word, fleeing sin, repenting and forsaking sin. Ms. Houston was a lover of the world and all it had to offer, wealth, material possessions, fame, notoriety, diva status: the exact opposite of what God calls us to - 1 John 2:15 'Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.'

As sad as it is, the truth must be told. Sinners who rebel against God and continue in sin willfully, day in and day out, prove they do not know the Christ of the Bible. Just because she gave God credit does not mean she is in heaven. I am sure it was her way of reassuring herself she was 'right' with God, she appeased herself with such things. However, examining her life and comparing it with Scripture will prove otherwise, which I have done. There was no evidence she was regenerated, she lived her life HER WAY, did what SHE wanted, and ultimately...it cost her dearly.

As for where true believers go when they die, the Apostle Paul answers this in Php. 1:23 'But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ.'

lyn said...

Anon,

You might want to read this article...http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/05/06/hed-stockpile-drugs-so-wouldnt-run-out-new-details-whitney-houstons-drug-habit/

It shows just how deep into the sinful bondage of drugs Ms. Houston was, it ruled her life, there was no room for Christ, denying self and fleeing sin. She couldn't overcome because she was not born again.

I do not mean to sound harsh or unloving, I do mean to present biblical truth. It seems America is under the impression you can live like the devil and STILL enter God's kingdom..the Bible teaches otherwise.

Anonymous said...

My take on Whitney is that she was a severely backslidden Christian. In her early life, she openly states she was saved.
OK, going back, we have a greedy, famous singer, her satanic 'cousin', who was once head of the Psychic Network for awhile, a wishy-washy 'Christian' mother who sings in bars and in church....and a young, vulnerable girl who is being guided by them into the biz.
Make no mistake, they pushed her into it, their little golden egg laying goose with the golden voice.
I believe in 'once saved always saved'. Whitney took off through huge promotions and was caught up, innocently at first.
Then of course, the drugs an the rest came in. She backslides; there is trememdous pressure on her as a commodity.
However, I believe she was under strong inner conviction all oalong. She always gave JESUS CHRIST the glory at her award ceremonies. She did not mumble the name of a nameless deity, but boldly called on The Name.

People, I was so backslidden for over a decade that it was ridiculous. Yet I still knew the Lord.
I submit to you that if I had been offered a singing contract back when I sang gospel, I'd have grabbed it, not realizing where it would lead.
Whitney was a kid, she had no idea where these so-called family people were pushing her. The Bible says our worst enemies are in our own families.
In Whitney's case, I believe this to be the ultimate truth.
Her mother was 'connected' to the WORLD, the BIZ, and still held up a form of godliness in the CHURCH.....huh?
Please don't limit the Lord. I believe He was dealing with Whitney. I don't believe she died of a cocaine overdose. I believe she was 'offed' for a number of reasons.
The Lord allowed this in order to take her out of this world, to a safe place. With Him. As for the Dimona episode, I don't see any signs that she worshipped that leader there. Peopell said she and Bobby were singing 'Glory to The Lamb' on that bus, so they knew Who the real Leader is.
She went to Dimona probably because of its re-hab style living regimen, to pick up some ideas on how to get really clean, and she wanted to see Israel.

lyn said...

What evidence did Whitney ever bear that she was saved, even as a child? Here lies the problem with American Christianity, so many are saved simply because they say they are. You claim she was 'backslidden'...for 30 years?!?!? She bore NO EVIDENCE that God had regenerated her, singing 'glory to the lamb' does NOT mean somebody is saved. She was in bondage to drugs, which the Bible forbids. Christ said if the Son sets you free you are free indeed; that means the bondage to sin, including addictions, is broken by the power of God when He regenerates a sinner.She also desired people to worship and idolize her, if not, why didn't she just walk away?


Do you understand the doctrine of regeneration and the doctrine of repentance? Do you understand the command to 'be holy, for I am holy' for without holiness NO ONE will see the Lord? Do you honestly think a true follower of Christ could live the life of fame, fortune, drug addiction, and sexual immorality and STILL enter God's kingdom?

Do you understand these commands from the Lord Jesus, "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions." from Luke chapter 14

And what about this from 1 John 3, 'Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.' - and this command from 1 John 2:15 'Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.'

Whitney Houston was not backslidden, she willfully sinned repeatedly, habitually against a Holy God for DECADES, this is NOT the mark of a true, genuine believer. She also loved the world and all it had to offer; she once scolded Diane Sawyer in an interview and claimed she made too much money to smoke crack, 'crack is wack', as she said. She admitted the biggest devil was...herself, then she grinned an eerie grin after that confession.

to be contd...

lyn said...

Everything you say you base on your opinion, i.e., 'My take on Whitney' 'I believe she was under strong inner conviction all along. She always gave JESUS CHRIST the glory at her award ceremonies. She did not mumble the name of a nameless deity, but boldly called on The Name' {She actually brought shame and reproach upon His name with her sinful behavior, sending a message to people that you could live like a devil as long as you make a 'verbal profession" - have you ever read Isaiah 29:13 'And the Lord said: "Because this people draw near with their mouth and honor me with their lips, while their hearts are far from me" as well as Luke 6:46 "Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?" What does Jesus say to those, like Whitney, who live a life of rebellion? Matthew 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'}


More opinions from you, 'In Whitney's case, I believe this to be the ultimate truth.' 'The Lord allowed this in order to take her out of this world, to a safe place'

I must ask you, are you the source of ultimate truth, or is God? What is your opinion worth?

This is why I examined her life and compared it to Scripture, that is the plumb line for truth and genuine Christianity. She bore no evidence that she was a born again believer, her lip service was to pacify herself and whoever else may be fooled by it. As the post stated, she bore no fruit of being regenerated by God, she is just like the parable the Lord spoke of in Luke 16 concerning the rich man and the poor beggar... 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony.' She isn't in hell because she was rich, she is in hell because she lived her life the way she wanted to, as if God never gave her a law to obey. Flee sexual immorality, flee drugs and alcohol, flee idolatry, flee materialism...DENY SELF, pick up your cross and follow Him. To be a follower of Christ is to be His slave, to surrender completely to Him as authority over you. There is no evidence of any of this in Whitney's life, and in most other 'Christian's lives' in America.

Weak preaching and bible illiteracy is producing false converts, the accursed gospel of 'invite Jesus into your heart', or 'make your decision for him', 'repeat this prayer' , 'just confess Christ as your savior' are all not the true Gospel. The true Gospel calls sinners to repent, to leave their life of sin, to die to self, to be willing to die for Christ, to give up all they desire {that would mean a career}, to follow Christ wherever He may take them. There is no guarantee you will even have a place to lay your head.

If America does not dig into God's word and cry out for truth, this shallow form of Christianity which really is no form of Christianity will continue to populate hell; sinners thinking themselves saved based on 'something' they said or did. Salvation is based solely on God's grace, 'for by Grace are you saved, through faith, and that {both grace and faith, plus salvation} is NOT of yourselves, it is a gift of God, not of works, lest any man boast - Ephesians 2:8-9

Anonymous said...

You can look at a person's life and judge what is in front of you, but you can't judge a person's soul inside and out. Don't try to judge period. Just leave Whitney alone because we are no better. A lot of us watched Whitney, supported Whitney, and we listened to her music. If she is so bad, we are just as bad. So if God was really angry, he would wipe us all out if he wanted to. He is great in mercy. I was told personally by God that there were some things that Whitney did not know and there are some things that I do not see. He came to me when I first heard that Whitney passed away. God told me not to worry about her death. Some things maybe we need to just leave alone.

lyn said...

Anonymous,

I wasn't going to approve your comment for 3 reasons...

1. You didn't read the entire post

2. You do not understand what judging really means according to the Bible

3. You signed 'anonymous'

You have the audacity to come here and accuse me of the very thing you are doing...judging, then do not even have the nerve to leave your name. Yours is a 'drive-by' comment as you vent and defend your idol.

Christ tells us those who are regenerated are new creations, and that children of God practice righteousness. Where in Whitney's life did you witness her practicing righteousness?

I encourage you to go back and read the post again, then look to God's word, especially 1 John chapter 3.

And yes, we are all bad; we are all wicked and vile with no hope apart from grace. As for God telling you things concerning Whitney, I am skeptical. God speaks through His written word, I am not into charismatic pentecostal beliefs at all. I posted this only because the world needs to understand we do not all automatically go to heaven when we die, just because someone grew up in a church and sang in the choir or makes verbal professions does not mean they are a true child of God...'ye must be born again'. This is NOT possible by man, not by verbal professions, not by baptism, making decisions, having free will to choose...none of these 'methods' save a sinner. Please, read Ephesians 2:8-9 for the truth on how vile sinners like you {and me} may be saved.

lyn said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Gail said...

I wasn't really trying to accuse anyone. I said what I said because there are people judging Whitney. Even the Bible said judge not. So I was writing according to that. I didn't mean harm. Well, I'm not going to dispute about her death. It's God's business where Whitney went to and he holds the book of life. The most important thing is we need to concentrate on whether are not we are going to make it to heaven when we die. Whitney is gone as far as I know. I really don't know that. Like I said. We don't know God's business. It's between God and Whitney for now. We will all know about each other judgement day.

lyn said...

Gail,
I do appreciate you coming back and leaving your name, thank you.

Now, I am not disputing her death, and I ask you, did you read the post in its entirety? I do not want sinners to think they can live like devils, in bondage to sin as Whitney was {drugs for one, plus the love of money, fame and people idolizing her} and enter God's kingdom, for His word clearly teaches those who practice sin will NOT enter His kingdom. God forbid we lead people astray by giving them false hope.

Please, read the post from start to finish, I have given the word of the Lord to show how those who are in bondage to sin have not been regenerated by God's supernatural power. Whitney was disobedient to the word of the Lord, her life proves such. Please understand, I think this woman had an amazing voice and I am still grieved over her death. I think it is tragic that she is gone, but I must be honest as well. I am not condemning her or judging her, as this post stated from the start. Her sins will condemn her, as you will see if you read the post and ask the Lord to open your mind to truth. I would hope that everyone could die and go to heaven, but I know that isn't the case. Those who live for this life, temporal comfort, in bondage to sex, drugs, material possessions, whatever your sin of choice is, will not enter heaven. No, I am not talking sinless perfection, but the Bible does speak out against those who habitually sin, the same besetting sins practiced daily {please, read all of 1 John} prove they are a child of the devil. Those are not my words, they are the words of the Lord.

Please read this post in its entirety Gail, and if you disagree, please, do so using the word of God. I am more than happy to discuss this with you from that perspective because our opinions are flawed by our sin nature.

lyn said...

Gail,

I also wanted to talk to you about the doctrine of regeneration; this is what Christ was speaking of in John 3:3, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." This is a supernatural work of God, no man or woman can humanly attain this. Ezekiel 36:26-27 describes this new birth, "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances." Notice the 'I's' in those two verses, it's God who does it all, not us. Those whom He re-births will be changed, as the Apostle Paul says in 2Cor.5:17 'Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.' That means the bondage to sin is broken by the power of the cross, this is what the Lord meant when he said, "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed." John 8:36

This is one reason I said Whitney isn't in heaven {according to the aforementioned verses}, she was still in bondage to drugs. I used to be in bondage to alcohol and cigarettes, but when God saved me, He gave me power over these vices. I had to do my part as well, it wasn't some magical genie formula. Self-discipline is necessary in our Christian walk, but, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, I was able to conquer these sins and overcome them. It didn't take me decades either, within two years of God saving me, I was free from alcohol and tobacco.

Please, do not grieve the Lord by defending sin. There will be evidence God has saved a sinner because they will no longer continue in sin, they will forsake it. This is a life-long battle, but the regenerated believer will not spend decades in sin like Whitney did. I know you admired her, but I encourage you to make Christ your idol. Admire Him, desire Him...to be like Him, to be refined into His image. Don't uphold Whitney, instead tell her story in a way that would cause sinners to flee from sin; as His word states 'be holy, for I am holy'. That should be the goal of the truly born again believer, not loving the world or what it has to offer, but having a mindset that is fixed on Christ. Whitney's fate is sealed, but it isn't too late for those who still have breath in their lungs this day. May the true Gospel of Christ go forth, may we not love this world or make idols out of mortal men and women who are just as sinful as we are; instead, let us look to Him for a role model.

Gail said...

(John 7:24) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Yes, I read your entire post, and people judged Whitney's life based on only her drug addiction and just because she was a pop singer. They judged the end of her life and her faults. God is judging her childhood on up. He judge with greater wisdom and understanding than man. If he judged us they way we judge us, we would all be going to hell. My point is we see only part of a thing, but God sees it all. That's why he is the judge. The one and only true judge. If you want to know if Whitney went to heaven, the best one to ask is God. Because people that you think went to hell are the main ones that might be in heaven. Some of the ones that appeared to be Christians and went to church every day might be in hell. A person can become saved before they take their very last breath.

lyn said...

You say people judged Whitney's life based only on her drug addiction and her pop star status. Some may do this, but I have compared her bondage to what the word of the Lord says; for this is what God uses to judge sinners. If Whitney were regenerated, she would have walked in obedience to His word, not perfect obedience, but she would not have spent 3 decades in the same besetting sins.

Do you understand that addiction is a sinful bondage? Do you understand the words of the Lord Jesus when he says, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. {John 8:34} "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed." {John 8:36} If Whitney belonged to Christ, then He must be a liar, because she was not free from sins' bondage. Why should God allow Whitney into His heaven when she lived her life her way, singing songs that did not glorify Him {some containing lyrics that are suggestive} being sexually active outside the covenant of marriage {as her last boyfriend kept bragging about on tabloid sites} and spending her millions on the finer things in life for herself and her family as well as drugs? I ask you again, how did Whitney Houston glorify God in her life; I am not talking about giving lip service. Show me, from God's word, how Whitney's life reflected much glory for Him, how there was evidence God had and was doing a mighty work in her.

Let me ask you again Gail, do you understand the doctrine of regeneration?

Gail said...

The words "born again" from the Bible I know. Consider Apostle Paul.
He said, "For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God (1 Corinthians 15:9). But he became an apostle didn't he.

As far as Whitney Houston, it is said that she studied her Bible and was seeking God in her last days. She did not stop seeking. What God said to her, we don't know. Don't know, wasn't there, don't know when and don't know where. It's not always what you see. God is invisible, but it doesn't mean he wasn't there. It's what we didn't see. Nice talking with you. Goodbye.

lyn said...

Gail,
Your reference to the Apostle Paul and his persecuting the church was before God saved him, before he was regenerated and born again. You still did not answer the question regarding if you understand the doctrine of regeneration, which isn't surprising, and probably isn't entirely your fault.
The reason I asked you if you knew the doctrine of regeneration is because most churches no longer teach this doctrine, it doesn't fill the pews or the collection plates. When you tell the sinner he/she has no hope apart from grace and the cross of Christ, you tell them biblical truth. God is the one who regenerates sinners, and they forsake sin when He does. However, to tell a sinner they can do nothing to save themselves and that they must be born again is to put salvation where it belongs, as a total supernatural work of God all for His glory; that flies in the face of the pride of man.

Whitney quoted scripture, as did Satan. Before she died, she wasn't even in her right mind, she was under the influence of a variety of drugs, namely, cocaine. Tell me, how can a mind in such an altered state comprehend the Gospel or spiritual matters?
I understand you being a fan of hers, you even have a blog dedicated to her. This is why you cannot see clearly why Whitney lived contrary to biblical truth. If you love the Lord, as Christ says, you will obey Him; that means you flee sin. I know you've said goodbye, but I want you to ask yourself this, what about Whitney's life would prove God had regenerated her? She spent 3 decades abusing drugs and being in bondage to them, and I have given you repeatedly the word of the Lord that states if Christ sets you free {re-births you} you are no longer in bondage to sin. You refuse to hear God's truth because you seem to idolize Whitney more than you love the word of God. You are in sin because of your unbelief of His truth. I strongly urge you to seek the Lord concerning your unbelief.

lyn said...

Gail, I also wanted to say my intention isn't to argue with you, it is to share biblical truth. America is so shallow in its understanding of the word of the Lord; He has blessed me with understanding of His truth as I cry out for more discernment, knowledge and understanding...He answers. I warn you, do not believe everything a pastor teaches you, go into the word and seek Him for understanding. Remember the warning from the Lord Himself in Matthew 24:4, 'take heed that NO MAN deceive you'...


Also, please read this post concerning the bondage of sin ---

http://iamhis-lyn.blogspot.com/2012/03/bondage-of-sin.html

I desire for you to know the truth of the word of God, I do not desire to hurt you by speaking truth concerning Whitney's bondage to sin. We must first and foremost uphold the word of the Lord, even when it hits close to home or someone we think highly of.

lyn said...

GAIL,

I found this from Paul Washer at airocross.com and I pray you will read this...

In closing his message titled The Christian’s Assurance of Salvation, Paul Washer contrasts the difference between a child of God, who receives the loving discipline of the Father, and the illigitimate (bastard) child who receives no discipline at all but continues in his waywardness. We see this truth addressed in Hebrews 12:3-11, paying close attention to verses 5-8:

…“My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,nor be weary when reproved by him. For the Lord disciplines the one he loves,and chastises every son whom he receives.” It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.

Contrary to the modern, watered-down false gospel propagated through evangelicalism today, God does not leave those He saves still enslaved in their sins. No, He sets them free, not only redeeming them and justifying them, but He changes them and molds them unto the likeness of Jesus Christ. Some may progress more slowly than others, but progress they will, for God does not fail to sanctify those He justifies. Why is this so? Because God saves us for His name sake, for His glory alone, and He will by no means fail to bring Himself glory through the salvation, sanctification, and glorification of His Elect.

Please take a listen and ask yourself, “am I a bastard child who loves the world and the things of the world, who lives in and loves a lifestyle of sin, who takes pleasure in unrighteousness, who is left alone to continue as I always have, still dead in my sins; or, am I a legitimate child of the Living God, who is purifying himself, whose mind is being renewed day by day, who is becoming holy as God is holy, who is surrendering increasingly to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, and who is bearing fruit in keeping with repentance, all by the grace of God alone for His glory alone?”

If you are not sure how to answer that question, you must examine yourself whether you truly be in the faith. I encourage you to begin reading the book of 1st John.

lyn said...

P.S. here is the link for the full sermon...

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=31111212147

lyn said...

Ariel,

First of all, I haven't blocked anything from you, I have no idea what you are referring to. Second of all, once again, you let your idolizing of a pop star take precedence over the word of God. As for me being a self-righteous Pharisee, I invite you to show me using God's word how you can make such a railing accusation; if you cannot do so, I warn you, beware of what you say based on your opinion and idolizing mere mortals who lived a life of rebellion. God will hold us all accountable for every thought we have, every word we speak, every accusation we make that isn't based on His word.


Lastly, I am not jealous of Whitney Houston, I shudder for her. She had her good things and they weren't lasting. If you read the post, you would have seen how her life compared to the word of the Lord.

I ask you this, are you regenerated by God?


If you want your comments approved here, you simply cannot lash out with false accusations that are based on your opinion...you MUST debate using the word of the Lord or you will not be approved. This blog if for the glory of the Lord and the edification of the saints, it isn't a place to vent your anger because your 'idol' has been written in light of biblical truth, truth you care not to uphold.


If the essay you say you wrote isn't biblically based, it will never be approved on this blog. As I have already stated, I am not here to argue with those whose golden calves have been destroyed, I stand firm on the word of the Lord and want sinners to know the truth, you cannot live in rebellious sin like Ms. Houston did and enter into God's kingdom. You need to tremble at His word sir/madam...

lyn said...

Ariel, I do not desire to be rich and famous like Whitney, I desire to be a follower of Christ and keep my focus on what's to come, not what is.
Do you know what it truly means to be a follower of Jesus Christ? Let me show you from God's word, "Luke 14:11 "For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
You must be humble,which isn't possible apart from the supernatural working of the Lord in the hearts of His people.
"If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.
"Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.
"So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions." -From Luke 14

As for desiring fame and wealth, the Bible says 'Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.' 1 John 2:15-16

"But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." 1 Timothy 6:9-10

Mark 10:25 "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

If Whitney did not desire fame and fortune, why didn't she stay in the church choir, why venture out into the music industry and sign lavish record deals, spending millions on costumes, her entourage and stage performances? How was God glorified in any of this, other than her giving lip service? Are you familiar with this passage from Isaiah 42:8, "I am the LORD, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images." Or this from Exodus 20:4, "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth." Anything you idolize and worship would cause you to be in violation of these commandments, whether an image fashioned by your hands or a live person whom you worship.Idolatry is defined by Thayer's Greek definitions as
1) the worship of false gods, idolatry
1a) of the formal sacrificial feats held in honour of false gods
1b) of avarice, as a worship of Mammon
2) in the plural, the vices springing from idolatry and peculiar to it

This is what is wrong with Christianity in America, there is no depth. You can profess Christ with your mouth and yet live like the rest of the world; immoral, in bondage to drugs, materialism, idolatry, etc. I strongly urge you to cry out to the Most High God who is holy, holy, holy before you strike another key on your keyboard...

lyn said...

To Gail, Ariel, and others who may read this and make railing accusations.

As I read Ezekiel 33:31-32 this evening, your responses to this post came to mind. A truly regenerated born again believer walks in obedience to God's word, not contrary to it. This is evidence they are saved. Now, let me share the aforementioned verses with you...

"They come to you as people come, and sit before you as My people and hear your words, but they do not do them, for they do the lustful desires expressed by their mouth, and their heart goes after their gain. Behold, you are to them like a sensual song by one who has a beautiful voice and plays well on an instrument; for they hear your words but they do not practice them."

'Their heart goes after their gain', this refers to those like Whitney, who seem to be attentive to the word of God, claim to have heard it and yet, do not obey. Gill commentary describes this verse this way, 'after the world, and the things of it; after their secular affairs, so that they wished the sermon over, that they might be at them; or, however, did not so diligently attend to what was said, but the cares of the world choked the word, and made it unfruitful to them; these were like the seed that fell among thorns, the thorny ground hearers'.

Matthew Henry comments along the same lines as Gill, ' Note, Covetousness is the ruining sin of multitudes that make a great profession of religion; it is the love of the world that secretly eats the love of God out of their hearts. The cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches are the thorns that choke the seed, and choke the soul too. And those neither please God nor profit themselves who, when they are hearing the word of God, are musing upon their worldly affairs.'

The bottom line is this, a verbal profession is meaningless unless it is backed by a life of obedience to the word of the Lord.

Terry Loving said...

Hello Lyn,

You have done a super job as well with this topic. People do not want to face the hard truth of life - we live, and we die.

It is what we do in between that makes an eternal difference whether we truly "rest in peace" or suffer agonizing torment.

Keep the truths of God in your heart always.

Thank you for your comment on my post, "Lessons From Whitney's Houston's Death."

Terry

lyn said...

So very true Terry, people do not want to hear the truth, they would rather live in delusion believing you can live anyway you want and still go to heaven. I, like you, must uphold truth, even when that truth causes others to mock, attack and persecute.

May God receive glory for all that we do.

lyn

SDT said...

Lyn,

I commend you on your scriptural references. I wholeheartedly believe we as Christians should flee from sin. Period. But I also believe in demonic attacks and I believe Whitney was attacked, as most of us have been. A stronghold is a stronghold. And the flesh is weak. For the record, you nor I have a Heaven or Hell to put anyone in. The Lord looks at the heart of man. He's the only judge. I hope Whitney was forgiven because I've seen evidence of her trying to overcome but I don't know and won't know until it's all said and done. Your evidence nor my heart can declare where Whitney is. Only the most high, Jesus Christ, knows.

lyn said...

SDT,

I disagree with your claim Whitney was attacked by demons. We must understand we are going to be held accountable for our actions, claiming demons force us to abuse drugs is preposterous. Whitney willfully, knowingly put foreign substances into her body for the sole purpose of getting high.

Again, you are an example of another Whitney fan who did not even bother reading the heading at the top of the post. I was NOT judging {I must ask, do you understand the biblical definition of judging?} her, the life she lived and was made known to all because of her fame; I took that and compared it to God's word which is the only source of truth. Sin is a bondage, she was in bondage to the sin of addiction, which she was a willing participant. The fact that she showed no evidence of being born again, which was proven by the decades long addiction as well as sexual immorality and filthy language, proves what Christ said, 'depart from me, you worker of iniquity'. One who works iniquity willfully is not a follower of Christ.

As for my evidence, which was God's word compared to her willful sins, it does declare truth because in reality, it isn't my evidence, it God's. Sinners who refuse to repent and forsake sin prove they do not know Christ, or better put, Christ does not know them.
I urge you to read 1 John, especially chapter 3. If you read that and still believe someone can continually sin knowlingly, then I pray God would be merciful and will show you the error of your thinking.

Also, this line 'you don't know her heart' is spoken by those who do not even know what 'heart' means. The biblical definition of heart is your mind, the center of your being, your thoughts, understanding...You can indeed know someone's heart and tell if they have been born again by God, which is His supernatural power changing the mind and opening the understanding to biblical truth, by the way they live, act, and speak. You will know them by their fruit, those who bear 'good fruit' prove the power of God is at work. Those who give mere lip service and yet continue to sin prove they are still dead in sin. This is not my teaching, it is found in the word of the Lord. Most refuse to accept God's truth, which is why Christ said the way is narrow and few find it. When the Lord commanded His people to 'be holy for I am holy', that did not include continuing on in sin and thinking it's okay and long as your verbal profession is proclaimed. God does not want mere words, we are to walk in obedience to His commands. I really don't think it can be any clearer than what I have already stated in the post; the problem is that too many want to defend Whitney and her willful sins instead of believing God when He said 'repent, or you will perish' {Luke 13}

SDT said...

Lyn,

Actually I did read your posts. I respect your view and only hope you live your life by your own words (I mean every aspect as well).

I still say there is only one judge.

We will see when we make it in. God bless you.

lyn said...

A true follower of Christ does not spend 3 decades in bondage to sin, as Whitney did with her drug addiction. Why? Because if God has re-birthed a sinner, they are set free from their bondage to sin. That is how you can tell a true follower from a superficial Christian. Do I live a perfect sinless life? NO!! BUT, I do not willfully sin against God as Whitney did. I used to be in bondage to alcohol, and I smoked for 35 years. When the power of God regenerated me, I was freed from both these addictions, as well as my sexual sin of lesbianism. Now, tell me what about Whitney's life proves she was a true follower of Christ.

I challenge you to prove my view wrong using God's word, not your opinion. Actually, your claim that this post was based on my view is invalid. I used God's word and compared Whitney's life to what the Bible teaches.

The whole purpose of this post was to show you cannot live in willful sin and still enter God's kingdom.
I bring these verses to your attention from 1 John chapter 3, "the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother." As God's word clearly states, habitual sin proves the person is not of God, not born again. So, this isn't my view, this is the word of the Lord.

I don't condemn Whitney to hell, she condemned herself with her willful rebellion against a Holy God.

SDT said...

"Do I live a perfect sinless life? NO!! BUT, I do not willfully sin against God as Whitney did."

You don't live a sinless life but you don't willfully sin. Lyn, that's a contradiction since sin is sin. We all have sinned and fell short.

My point is, you nor I can place Whitney anywhere. You nor I know if Whitney had a chance to repent. We don't know if she had a chance to cry out to the Lord with a sincere heart (and no, of course, I'm not referring to the physical heart). We just don't know. Period.

I believe in grace. And grace is only given by our Savior.

lyn said...

SDT

Actually, my statement is not contradictory at all and quite biblical, as 1 John teaches. The difference between my sins and Whitney's is that mine aren't the SAME besetting sins, I am not a repeat offender of alcohol, for example; I do not get drunk everyday and then ask the Lord for forgiveness. How can you ask forgiveness of sins if you turn right around and continue on it that sin? You are not broken over that sin if you cleave to it. I think the problem lies in your misunderstanding of willful sin vs. sins we commit unintentionally {like yelling at someone who steals your parking spot or cuts you off in traffic, that isn't intentional, it is 'spur of the moment'}.
If we say we have no sin, we make Him a liar. If we sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us. {1 John 1:8-9}. The Christian walk is one of continual repentance, and NOT from the same besetting sins, as Whitney was a repeat offender of. God brings sin to light through His word and brings it to the surface, like dross. Repenting of sin does NOT mean you stay in it, you confess it and forsake it. Whitney displayed no true repentance, her bondage to drugs was proof she was not born again by God. That is why I used His word and compared it to her lifestyle as evidence she was a person who professed Christ with her mouth but as the Lord said, 'why do you call me Lord Lord and do not do what I say? Depart from me, you WORKER OF INIQUITY". Do you know what a worker of iniquity is? One who habitually, willfully, knowingly, INTENTIONALLY sins. Do you comprehend that? That is what separates the true follower from the false convert. The Spirit of God lives within the regenerated believer, and they cannot nor will they continue on in the SAME sins over and over. David sinned with Bathsheba, and he murdered. Did David continue sinning with other women, did he continue murdering? Of course not? Was he guilty of other sins? Sure, but that is how God refines us, by bringing to the surface sin and causing us to confess and forsake. Yes, this is a life-long process, but you need to grab hold of this. Intentional sin that is repeated, especially for 30 years, is evidence that person is unregenerate.

You say you understand grace, do you understand the doctrine of regeneration? As for me placing Whitney somewhere, you misunderstood the whole post! You assume I was condemning her, when in fact, her life, her addiction, her desire for fame, fortune, notoriety, sexual immorality; this is what condemned her...not me. She was idolized by her fans and she loved it! Do you understand what God's word says about all these sins? Where is the evidence she forsook any of these sins?
As for her crying out to the Lord, her mind was in a drug altered state, unable to think or reason because of the drugs. She died face down in a bath tub, do you really think a mind in an altered state is able to comprehend? If so, I pray God will take you deeper into His word on a study of the mind.
God is the one who saves sinners, by grace. Not because we cry out with sincere hearts, but because He has predestined His elect for eternal life. His elect will walk in obedience, they will not love the world, love its glamour, fame, money, material possessions. They shun all this for Christ's sake.


I will say this one last time, I did not condemn Whitney, comparing her life to and lining it up with the word of the Lord clearly shows she condemned herself by her love of sin and continuing on in that SAME SIN REPEATEDLY. She put herself in Hades, she rejected the command to repent, she disobeyed and cleaved to her drugs, pills, alcohol. That was her 'god'.

I asked you to debate from scripture why Whitney would be in heaven and I await this debate. Mere opinions will no longer be approved.



lyn said...

SDT,

Here is a quote from preacher Paul Washer concerning repentance...
"
Do Christians struggle with sin? Yes. Can a Christian fall into sin? Absolutely. Can a Christian live in a continuous state of carnality all the days of his life not bearing fruit and truly be Christian? Absolutely not or every promise in the Old Testament regarding the New Testament covenant has failed and everything God said about discipline in Hebrews is a lie.

A tree is known by its fruit.

Apples don't make a tree an apple tree. The apples merely reveal the true nature of the tree. Repentance is a fruit of conversion and often reveals that it is genuine. It is not that you have to stop sinning. It is that when God saves you, you turn away from the sin you once loved."

I also encourage you to read Thomas Watson's writing entitled
'The Doctrine of Repentance' at http://www.fivesolas.com/watson/drepenti.htm
Concerning sorrow for sin, he writes 'Our sorrow for sin must be such as makes us willing to let go of those sins which brought in the greatest income of profit or delight. The physic shows itself strong enough when it has purged out our disease. The Christian has arrived at a sufficient measure of sorrow when the love of sin is purged out.' That means one no longer continues on in the same sins.

SDT said...

Repost from yesterday that did not appear:

"Now, tell me what about Whitney's life proves she was a true follower of Christ."

This quote literally made me chuckle to myself. Do you know anything about Whitney outside of her drug addiction? Do you know the love she showed her family, friends and colleagues (John 15:17)? Are you aware of the conversations she had with her hair stylist about wanting to love as Jesus did? Do you know of the time when Whitney paid for one of her child dancers to get colon cancer treatment? Are you aware of the times she gave and expected nothing in return? Did you see the tears she cried as she asked God for help? Were you a fly on the wall as she struggled with her addiction but still chose to read her Bible and pray? Were you with her when she expressed her downfalls but still sang "I Look To You"? Do you remember her confessing Jesus as her Lord and Savior on national TV when not many others were?

Whitney put her faith in the Lord and she was never ashamed of Him (Romans 10:9). Her life is a perfect example of a spiritual battle. And yes, there is a battle between our spirit and our flesh. Just because she struggled does not mean she didn't want to please God. We're human. This Christian walk is a process. It may take some people 30 years to get it right and it may be automatic for some, like you.

Either way, there's only one who sees us from all sides and makes His judgment accordingly.

New post:

I read your posts and realized one of mine (above) was missing. Her dying face down in a tub still doesn't mean she didn't have time to repent. She could've felt the unction to call His name. The one thing she did know is she could always go to God. It's up to Him from there. (That's above both of our pay grades.)

Let's be real. As much as we don't "try" to judge, we do through observing someone's actions (mistakes/downfalls/what have you) then comparing and contrasting.

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. (Matthew 7:1, 2 NKJV)

We have to be careful to what extent we magnify the inconsistencies of another's walk. And I'm not just saying that because of Whitney. Her fate has been met; she's one of two places. And I have no authority to dictate where that is. Neither do you. You have absolutely no authority (and I'm so glad no other human does either)! Since you know so much about the Word (and will probably reply with an essay, which is fine), I hope your life matches it to the T as you and your actions may (I say "may" because, again, I realize I'm not the Lord) be weighed accordingly.

I thank God for your testimony but unless you lived a perfect life, I really don't care to discuss this anymore because I see we're going to have to agree to disagree. Since this is your blog, you have authority here but Lyn, hear me please, you *do not* have authority over someone's eternity. You're not Jesus. You *are not* Jesus!

lyn said...

So you claim Whitney was a true follower because she loved her family? Christ calls us to love our enemies, which is much harder than loving family. As for her good deeds, "But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags" Isaiah 64:6

If she were born again by God, she would NOT have remained in bondage to drugs. This seems to be what you do not understand, you point to her 'deeds', i.e., her loving her family and helping out others, but you miss the MAIN thing...'ye must be born again'- John 3:3

Are you aware that she did drugs in front of her daughter, and that she hid drugs throughout her house for fear of running out? { read more at http://ssofdv.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/lessons-from-whitney-houstons-death/}
Do you know Satan can quote scripture? Reading the Bible is NOT what saves, it is walking in obedience that evidences one has been born again. 'Be holy for I am holy; for without holiness no one will see the Lord'. Is willfully getting high your definition of being holy?
The demons believe, a verbal profession is meaningless. Just because she flippantly professed Christ doesn't mean He knew her, I will repeat again, 'depart from me, you worker of iniquity'. She drank down iniquity like water, she spent 30 years getting high because she loved her sin. If she truly belonged to Christ, the bondage to sin would have been broken by God's regenerating power.

I knew it would be a matter of time before you took out of context the verse about judging! " But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges. " 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 We are indeed called to judge other professing believers, but not hypocritically as Christ warned in the verse you gave {albeit out of context}. Here is commentary on those verses from Matthew Henry, "But, as to members of the church, they are within, are professedly bound by the laws and rules of Christianity, and not only liable to the judgment of God, but to the censures of those who are set over them, and the fellow-members of the same body, when they transgress those rules. Every Christian is bound to judge them unfit for communion and familiar converse. They are to be punished, by having this mark of disgrace put upon them, that they may be shamed, and, if possible, reclaimed thereby: and the more because the sins of such much more dishonour God than the sins of the openly wicked and profane can do. The church therefore is obliged to clear herself from all confederacy with them, or connivance at them, and to bear testimony against their wicked practices."

You keep accusing me of judging, of condemning. You refuse to believe God's word when compared to a sinner who refused to repent. You do not answer questions like 'do you understand the doctrine of repentance' and 'do you understand the doctrine of regeneration' which leads me to believe you do not; thus, the reason why you do not understand any of the post concerning Whitney's bondage to drugs. " "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed." John 8:36 Free from what? Sin's bondage; if Christ were truly Whitney's Lord and Savior, she would have been freed from the bondage to drugs. Is this my opinion? No, it is the truth of God's word, which you cannot accept. You then accuse me of being 'perfect' and hope my life matches to a 't', again, you speak out of your own ignorance. As to your claim I think I am Jesus and have authority, you need to move on. Your ignorance of biblical truth is why you fight against it.


lyn said...

SDT, This is from A. W. Pink on God's mercy...

Unspeakably solemn is it to see so many abusing this Divine perfection. They continue to despise God’s authority, trample upon His laws continue in sin, and yet presume upon His mercy. But God will not be unjust to Himself. God shows mercy to the truly penitent{ those who forsake sin, leaving it, fleeing from it}, but not to the impenitent (Luke 13:3). To continue in sin and yet reckon upon Divine mercy remitting punishment is diabolical. It is saying, "Let us do evil that good may come," and of all such it is written, whose "damnation is just" (Rom. 3:8). Presumption shall most certainly be disappointed; read carefully Deuteronomy 29:18-20. Christ is the spiritual Mercy-seat, and all who despise and reject His Lordship shall "perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled but a little" (Ps. 2:12).
How many there are who say, I do not believe that God will ever cast me into Hell; He is too merciful. Such a hope is a viper, which if cherished in their bosoms will sting them to death. God is a God of justice as well as mercy, and He has expressly declared that He will "by no means clear the guilty" {the unrepentant, the sinner who continues on in sin daily} (Ex. 34:7)

May God grant you true deep understanding and wisdom so you will defend His word and not defend sinners.

Susan said...

If only everyone wanted to defend God and His word as much as they want to defend the idols of this world! This would be a very different world, wouldn't it?

lyn said...

Amen Susan, truer words have not been spoken by men sister!!

lyn said...

No comments will be posted that are anonymous, nor will any comment be posted that doesn't give a biblical defense to back what is stated. This post is not here to stir opinions, it's here to cause those who still have breath in their lungs to examine their own lives. Do not think a mere verbal profession will grant you entrance into heaven, for even the demons believe....and shudder.

The Business Diva said...

I too am African-American and identify far too strongly with my blackness. When in reality, I should be identifying myself as a child of God and follower of Christ, not to mention, a loyal trustworthy American, secondly. Thanks, I now have a better understanding about the wrong spiritual path that Cissy Houston's family took amongst other destructive paths. A better enlightenment of the so-called black Hebrews (heresy) at its finest. Again, I truly thanks you for sharing the gospels of Jesus in a productive manner.

lyn said...

There is all kinds of 'religion' out there, but the path that leads to eternal life is narrow, and few find it. You simply cannot take any excess baggage down the narrow path, it all must be shed. Whitney's family had a form of godliness, but lacked the power. In other words, they were not born again by the power of God, their religion was outward only. May God have mercy on her surviving family and save them.

Susan said...

As a born again Christian who has studied the bible for over 25 years, I wholeheartedly agree with this blog. I grew up in a denominational system. I prayed, and believed in God. I talked about him when situations arose, and was not ashamed. I attended church. I also drank, smoked, did drugs, and had a child out of wedlock among other things. I did not believe in judging. Sometimes I spent a great deal of time in prayer. I believed I loved God. And then he revealed his truth to me in a revival service where a pastor who was not a compromiser preached the full counsel of Gods word. He preached what Jesus taught. REPENT! Which means to turn from!! I can tell you my testimony is that I went forward to am altar that night and tears ran down my face as I realised actually I was lost and on my way to hell. I gave my heart to Christ that night, and I can tell you my life has never been the same. I have never ever again smoked another cigarette, used illegal drugs and have abstained completely from fornication. It is possible to live a holy life if you get a true born again experience. Jesus said you know the tree by the fruit it bares. So as someone who has studied scripture now for 25 years, and read the bible over and over, whose life has been changed and cleaned up by the power of God and his mercy, the opinions of this blog are scripturally sound. You know the line I once was blind but now I see? That is not physical blindness. It is spiritual blindness. That is the problem with the church world today. They are blind, unfortunately. I John 1:9. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him and he cannot sin because he is born of God. There is No way I could do drugs, drink or smoke, commit fornication now... I have wonderfully, and gratefully received the Holy Spirit which keeps me from gross sin. This is not just mine but the testimony of Any true child of God. Romans 6:17 but God be thanked that ye WERE the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you, Being then made free from sin, you became the servants of righteousness.

lyn said...

Susan
May the Lord be praised for showing you such marvelous mercy. Yes, there are multitudes who give verbal professions and have never been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. The new birth that Christ spoke of in John 3:3 is a supernatural one, something man is incapable of doing. Playing religion will not save a sinner, being broken over sin and turning from it is a sign that God has wrought the new birth in you.
Thank you for your testimony, may the Lord bless you!

Harrison Wyntergreen said...

Hi, I've often wondered about people who may be saved (between them and God)but have fallen away from their walk with Christ. Then in some way flaunt their present life, clearly not walking with the Lord yet saying they are. Sam Kinison (who I knew through work) was claiming he was "with God" again, yet knowingly falling short, drugs etc. When he was killed in the automobile accident on the way to Laphlen Nevada, his best friend and comedian Carl Labove said the following, "Carl LaBove, who had been in the following van. holding his head in his hands. At first it looked like there were no serious injuries to Kinison, but within minutes he suddenly said to no one in particular "I don’t want to die. I don’t want to die." LaBove later said "it was as if he was having a conversation, talking to some unseen somebody else" some unseen person. Then there was a pause as if Kinison was listening to the other person speak. Then he asked "But why?" and after another pause LaBove heard him clearly say: "Okay, Okay, Okay.’ LaBove said: "The last ‘Okay’ was so soft and at peace...Whatever voice was talking to him gave him the right answer and he just relaxed with it. He said it so sweet, like he was talking to someone he loved." Kinson then lost consciousness. Efforts to resuscitate him failed. Kinison died at the scene from internal injuries. He was just thirty eight years old." I spoke to Carl, he told me this story in person too. I believe Sam was a Christian and Whitney was too I believe. Like Ananias and Sapphira in the book of Acts were taken by God to make a point and also not let someone claiming to be walking with Christ publicly, then clearly continuing in sin, maybe God takes some of those people?

lyn said...

I will respond more in depth when I get home from work. I will say your opinion on both Kinison and Whitney being saved does not square with scripture. Remember Christ said 'depart from me you worker of iniquity.'

lyn said...

Okay Harrison, I will respond more in depth now....

You state Kinison said he did not want to die, that goes against what the Apostle Paul says in Phil. 1:23, "for I am pressed by the two, having the desire to depart, and to be with Christ, for it is far better." The true born again believer desires to be with the Lord, death means we go home. Why would Kinison not want to die IF he truly was born again by God? Here's another thing for you to consider, sin is a bondage. The sin of addiction is broken when Christ truly saves a sinner, in other words, you do NOT continue on in your addiction. Both Kinison and Whitney spent a good majority of their lives feeding the sins they were enslaved to. Christ plainly tells us in John 8: 34 - 36, - Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." Do you understand what the Lord is saying? If you belong to the Lord, if you've been born again, sin no longer is your master. The death grip of sin is loosed by the cross of Christ - so, if someone gives a verbal profession of believing in Christ and yet, continues living in and indulging in sin, they do not belong to Him. I encourage you to read 1 John chapter 3. I hope this clears things up a bit for you.

Anonymous said...

We all know Whitney lived a sinful life when she was alive. And ofor course they are not going to talk about her sinful life at her funeral. It's a funeral. The best thing to do is respect the dead pray for the family and try to live our lives according to Christ ways. We're all sinners and I agree that we don't know if Whitney is in Heaven or Hell. That's between Whitney and God. She struggled with money and fame throughout her life and unfortunately her daughter is dead now because Whitney didn't raise her daughter in church. I hope she had the opportunity to speak with God before her tragic death. If not, let's pray that her family will turn to Christ 100%

lyn said...

Whitney's earthly accomplishments were praised at her funeral...none of which glorified God. She was an idol to many; only God is worthy of reverence.
We don't know for certain where Whitney is, however, her earthly life was spent feeding her sinful desires and remaining in bondage to her sins. She bore no good fruit, she merely gave lip service. We simply cannot go around claiming everybody who names the name of Christ goes to heaven, for the Bible teaches otherwise. Those who habitually sin prove they are of their father, the devil. Christ said this to the religious Pharisees of His day, these men who claimed to believe in God and yet, Christ tells them straight away who they belong to. Why? Because their fruit was rotten, their religion was verbal and outward only.
1 John clearly teaches how to tell God's children from Satan's...

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.


Whitney Houston was not a victim, she was a sinner who was never born again by God. She indulged in her sinful, lustful desires willfully and frequently. Her fate is sealed and her time on earth is over, may we not look at her as a diva, or a victim. She is a sinner who rebelled against a thrice-holy God and died as she lived....high on drugs.

simplechristian said...

The truths contained within this article are eye opening and terrifying. Several key artists who claim to be Christian or children of God follow this very pattern of adulation of men, self aggrandizement, lustful immorality and the pursuit of wealth. Before Whitney Houston there was Elvis Presley, a man who lived in rebellion to the very end without ever leaving any biblically objective proof of a conversion and yet millions claim that he also is in heaven because he recorded a gospel album and sang hymns before or after his concerts. Sadly they omit the vast amount of proof to the contrary, how he taught blasphemies about Jesus and Mary, submerged himself in unrestrained lust and immorality, indulged in drugs and subscribed to various religions. He was the frontman of the watered down gospel for the 20th century. Do as you please and name the name of God and all will be well as long as you're taking care of business. No one can bask in the limelight and pursue riches, despite philanthropic activities, in direct violation of God's commands and call themselves a Christian, sorry Denzel Washington, Tyler Perry, Steve Harvey, Oprah, Mariah Carey and all the rest. There is a video of Oprah throwing a religious event where Bebe Winans is singing and several artists like Mariah Carey, Patti Labelle and many others can be seen to be seemingly glorifying and praising God under extreme emotion. It looks so genuine and convincing for a moment, that is until it is over and everyone goes right back to their diva and celebrity lifestyle- that's the extreme modern day version of the watered down gospel legacy left by Elvis. The only one that gives me some confidence of genuineness of their love of Christ is Kirk Cameron who left Hollywood for good and pursues a daily opportunity to present the gospel to the lost

lyn said...

Excellent comment. Yes, Elvis was not a Christian at all, his sinful lustful indulgences prove such. People comfort themselves and believe ALL go to heaven, which means they too will go, in spite of the daily rebellion against God's law. I agree with all that you have stated, Tyler Perry is another one who wants to claim Christ and yet pursue the riches and comforts of this life. He and his girlfriend have a child out of wedlock, I am not judging, I am pointing to his sin of sexual immorality. I have never read of any repentance on his part over this, and other sins. You simply cannot love the world and follow Christ, you cannot serve both God and mammon. It is one or the other.

Thank you for your comment, may the Lord continue to bless His sheep.

simplechristian said...

"Without holiness no one will see the Lord" "Except a man be born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" "Not everyone who says to me Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, except he who does the will of my father" "He who hateth his life for my sake will find it but he who loveth his life will lose it". These are terrifying words of judgment against Whitney Houston and she lived in a manner consistent with that of an unrepentant sinner and tragically died in a pig sty

Peter Chebii said...

The wages of sin is death.Lets all take the word of God with the seriousness it deserves and tell the world to repent for God is NOT a respecter of personalities.